Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

Seriously, the more you keep posting Kash the more I am thinking about keeping my votes where they are. First you bring up the doc/detective thing, which scarily enough, I have to agree on Ice with; you should not have posted your thoughts about it. Why bring attention to who the doc/dect might be? Not very protown if you ask me. You seem to be posting alot, but nothing with real substance. Perhaps to look like you are kicking the bushes when you aren't really doing much of anything.

A couple of other things have caught my eye. All the votes early on Zaffy. I know he uses big words and all, but that doesn't make him scummy in my opinion. I can understand Rich's vote for him. We all need to start somewhere. What I don't understand is the other two votes for him. Hmm..

That is all I have so far.
 
hmmmm.... Kash, I voted on Zig.... wow for someone who is so thorough, you would think you would have had your facts straight....

Sorry DD... I picked up the vote count from the list Jpappy posted and just continued to expand it from there. Your vote on Zigman was in post #37... Jpap's vote count list was post #49.

He didn't include your vote on his list and I didn't go back to check his count prior to that the point.

you're right!! (you know I love you Zig :D) I was pretty excited to see you make the game.... I vote to lynch Zig (on accident though :D)

Decided to do it myself...

Zaffy- Rich (4) Jbradt (22) Rocker (24)
Rb- Kash (5)
Rich- Ogre (6)
Jpap- Lucky (7) Wycco (38)
Plant- Rb (8)
Kash- Luv (9) Luv (13)
Lucky- Zs (10) Jen (23)
Bkw- Noods (11)
Luv- Zs (17)
DD- Zaffy (19) Zig (27)
Mav- Ice (26)
Wycco- Jpap (34)
Ogre- Fire (36)
TRS- Dawg (41)
Jbradt- cj (45)
 
Seems to me maybe someone realized or was told not to vote team mates in this format?
I could understand switching for a reason but he didn't give one for retracting and moving to FD.She hadn't posted between switches and it was actually only a total of 14 minutes between votes.

I retract my vote on Mav and vote to lynch Kash


Would also be willing to actually vote MC but Kash has said more that bothers me to this point and is more of a threat then MC.


I noticed this too. Is it because I already had two votes on Kash and his vote woulda tied Kash and Zaffy up?? Has MC given a reason for the vote switch? I know FD asked, but I didn't see a reply.
 
Luvbugz... you've already made yourself look suspicious (whether you are or not). For Day 1, this has been way more significant than that "who likes what pizza toppings" fiasco from the previous game. With that already on your mind, why on earth would follow all that with this post too?

1. You've already answered the questions you've been asked about grabbing JM's vote. And most of us (who are posting) have already mentioned what an overreaction that was. So why come back to this all over again to dredge it back up and say... "I guess I need to explain further" ?? You already know how the more you keep explaining and re-explaining... the more suspcious (defensive?) it's going to make you look.

2. This line from your post really bothers me: "It never occurred to me until that game that people might intentionally setup other players."

^^ I can say for a fact that is not a true statement. You and I played together on the mafia team in the game prior to the one you just referenced.... You definitely knew first-hand that players set each other up on purpose.. and why. You did it yourself when you were mafia and now try to claim this is something that never occured to you? No way.

Who did we setup Kash?? We didn't. Not like FD/JL did with me. Sorry, we weren't that creative. Ya, we played up people's suspicions on each other, but that was it.

So shoot me for wanting to make sure everyone knew where I was coming from.

You seem really defensive this time around Kash. Why?
 
Alright Luv, enough is enough. We didn't set you up as elaborately as you claim. We simply did not correct your erroneous assumptions and let the townies say what they would. It's good game play. It's what we all do to each other in this game, and it should be expected. Let it go. Playing the victim like this (with no reason atm) does not leave me having warm fuzzies about you this go 'round. I don't feel like Kash is the defensive one right now, but rather you.
 
Who did we setup Kash?? We didn't. Not like FD/JL did with me. Sorry, we weren't that creative. Ya, we played up people's suspicions on each other, but that was it.

So shoot me for wanting to make sure everyone knew where I was coming from.

You seem really defensive this time around Kash. Why?
luvbugz, you really seem to be trying to shift the focus away from you. im not seeing kashta being defensive, but you are the one that is really sticking out right about now. you've been really bent up about accusations and all that, and you've successfully put yourself in the spotlight.
 
Hmmm, I vote to lynch Jen4kngs.

Anyone who uses "yeppers" in their vocabulary is suspicious! Yepper Pepper!


I was just simply putting something out there to get a post in this thread. ;)
So it appears Jen posted just to post. Along w/these two post and their initial post w/a vote there's not much much substance. Not sure if it's a sign of a fidgety Mafia player trying to stay under the radar while still posting, but gonna watch them.

Wow. Discussion has picked up finally since I left. :)

I guess I need to explain further my "being setup comment" since that seems to have been brought up alot.
I was reading through the thread this morning; all happy to have the game on again finally. I noticed that JM posted, but didn't put in a vote. Being my little hyper self, I quickly posted and captured his vote. Not two seconds after I hit submit, it dawned on me that his forgetting to vote might have been intentional. I mean, wouldn't it be a great mafia ploy to accidently forget to vote and then whomever claims their vote gets all the suspicious thrown at them?! I know JM is a good player. The whole vote thing was posted like a bazillion times in the sign up thread and on this thread. I didn't miss it.
I know the whole FD/JL thing has put me on edge. It never occurred to me until that game that people might intentionally setup other players. It worked beautifully in that game and everyone fell for it hook, line and sinker. It made me look at the game in a new light. I didn't want to get used so easily this time around.
Hopefully all that make sense and you can see where I am coming from. As far as whom I am going to vote for, I am unsure at this point. I am still leaning towards JM because it still looks like it was intentional to me. I just am not buying that it was a mistake. Could it have been? Yes, which is why I really need to think on this for a little bit.
I remember my first game w/u and u and your Mafia buddies were gunning for me quite a bit. Can't say if it was coordinated as I wasn't in your chat room, but as you have played a baddie b4, I just don't see how u could not have ever heard of being set up.

Who did we setup Kash?? We didn't. Not like FD/JL did with me. Sorry, we weren't that creative. Ya, we played up people's suspicions on each other, but that was it.

So shoot me for wanting to make sure everyone knew where I was coming from.

You seem really defensive this time around Kash. Why?
I did not read the JL/FD game so I can't say the set up on you was exceptional or not. Your worry over being set up by Jm's non-vote post doesn't make sense. If u are an innocnent you have the power of two votes on someone who u think is not an innocent. Isn't that a good thing?



As for Jm, I haven't played w/them so I'm not sure if they're usually so careless about the rules. But the thought that they blew their vote on purpose so as to not have liability for voting does have merit. In games where ppl were not penalized for not voting a lot of the baddies opted not to vote. No vote no liability.
 
So, I know that we all have votes out there, and it's pretty early to have a good reason, but why the switch to me?
In the last game you threw out a last second, literally last second vote on me....you were Mafia scumin that game....I felt it was so scummy for you to do that after only posting once or twice that entire day. So after posting I looked back at the players and seen you were on the list so I changed my vote to you...still totally random though and things might change with more info in the next 24+ hours. (I hope that answers your question as well Luv)


You that bad at math or are there 6 names on your mafia team PM? 25% of 32 is 8 players.



Not really sure why someone claiming the vote would bring all the attention to them? I'd gladly take double the vote and if I'm around when someone screws up I'd jump at the chance.

What bothers me more is the fact that you keep defending yourself on it. Its to early for defense, if you are in fact innocent you need to be finding mafia to get the votes flowing that way and off you instead of pleading for votes to fall off you.
That does also bother me too and you never want to count Kash out as scum...she always seems to play it out really well in previous games.

Seems to me maybe someone realized or was told not to vote team mates in this format?
I could understand switching for a reason but he didn't give one for retracting and moving to FD.She hadn't posted between switches and it was actually only a total of 14 minutes between votes.

I retract my vote on Mav and vote to lynch Kash


Would also be willing to actually vote MC but Kash has said more that bothers me to this point and is more of a threat then MC.
See my above explanation for switching...completely random....I have bad blood for FD from the last game.

I have been busy with the move and all still trying to get back to normal, lots of errands to run cleaning etc...Just moved from CO to NM this past week...I am tired as hell....will be more active now that I have time to sit and chill out.
 
Luvbugz... what am I supposed to get defensive about? I don't see anything pointed at me thus far that even warrants it.

What I do see is Luvbugz trying to shift focus away from herself. I've been on here all morning and I've posted whatever I could come up with... which isn't much. So okay... she's looking for something I've said or done that she can use. This isn't unusual for Luv's style of playing this game.

Then along came Ice with a lukewarm accusation and a vote against me. Luvbugz has since latched onto that. Okay.. Personally, given the basis stated so far, it looks worse (to me) for both of them at this point than it does me.

When Ice posted his part, I went back to look at my posts to figure out what I'd said that would lead someone to think I was naming JM+Luvbugz as innocents working together. I found the post I made where Ice decided to link two statements about two different subjects together to connect them.

Here's the post Ice made:

Not exactly sure why the innocent team would need or want to let 1`person on the team have double the votes. Seems though it would be a better choice to have 2 separate votes they can place in other areas if needed. Even if it were an option I doubt it would be used on Day 1.

What really bothers me though is you pointing out a possible communicating innocent team.

And here's the post of mine that he cited:

Thought of something else. We have a communicating innocent team this time... the detective and cops can talk to each other. So the good guys could set this up as well the mafia. Even if it looks suspicious or staged, we wouldn't know (by this alone) whether it's good or bad.

There is some connection at least.. we're all going to look at both Luv and JM closer now than we would have otherwise. They're connected in a way at least for this day whether that was intended or not.

First paragraph - Was in response to Jpappy's theory about the mafia team pulling a stunt to get extra votes they could use. He was talking about them doing that later in the game... not on day 1. And so was I when I said the detective/cops could also do the same thing.

Second paragraph - Jpappy had also said the person who loses their vote and the person in the right place at the right time to get the extra vote won't be connected. I disagreed with that. And I used the current day 1 situation where this happened already (JM and Luvbugz) as an example. If this happens again later on, I think the two people involved WILL be looked at very closely for doing it. My reason for thinking this is based on the attention both JM and Luv have already drawn upon themselves.

So what Ice did was take parts from two separate paragraphs and connect them together. But that's all there is to it. Even trying to read more into this... it still isn't what Ice made it out to be. I don't think JM and Luvbugz are both innocent/communicating. I don't think Luv getting JM's vote was planned at all. And I didn't "out" either one of them as being communicating innocents working together as a team.

What was actually posted and who has decided to use it in a certain way or for whatever purpose is plain to see. I have 3 votes on me now... 2 from Luvbugz and 1 from Ice. Still.... after looking at Ice's basis for the claim he's made... I'm sorry, but Ice can do a lot better job of case building against someone than that. I still don't see a reason to get defensive or even worry about it. Everyone else is going to evaluate what's been said on their own.

Going further on in the thread for Luvbugz' next post.....

Seriously, the more you keep posting Kash the more I am thinking about keeping my votes where they are. First you bring up the doc/detective thing, which scarily enough, I have to agree on Ice with; you should not have posted your thoughts about it. Why bring attention to who the doc/dect might be? Not very protown if you ask me. You seem to be posting alot, but nothing with real substance. Perhaps to look like you are kicking the bushes when you aren't really doing much of anything.

Luvbugz.. that makes no sense. You can't even follow your own accusations.

Show me where I've even mentioned the doctor..... much less connecting him with the detective... or going on to identify/announce/speculate about who they are. What I said was the detective and the cops communicate with each other. Go read the rules again; that's self-evident.

The fact that I've mentioned a communicating innocent team exists is no big deal. That's laid out for us to see in the rules John posted on Page 1.

Moving on now. In this post, Luvbugz agrees with Ice again.

I noticed this too. Is it because I already had two votes on Kash and his vote woulda tied Kash and Zaffy up?? Has MC given a reason for the vote switch? I know FD asked, but I didn't see a reply.

Then....... this next post from Luvbugz is just funny. We were both on the mafia together and we didn't set people up? Be serious... that's what the mafia does.

Who did we setup Kash?? We didn't. Not like FD/JL did with me. Sorry, we weren't that creative. Ya, we played up people's suspicions on each other, but that was it.

So shoot me for wanting to make sure everyone knew where I was coming from.

You seem really defensive this time around Kash. Why?

Here's the next post in line where one of the players involved with that game Luvbugz keeps whining about tells her that she's got it wrong.

(I've bolded these bits to separate the lines more from the purple text.)

Alright Luv, enough is enough. We didn't set you up as elaborately as you claim. We simply did not correct your erroneous assumptions and let the townies say what they would. It's good game play. It's what we all do to each other in this game, and it should be expected. Let it go. Playing the victim like this (with no reason atm) does not leave me having warm fuzzies about you this go 'round. I don't feel like Kash is the defensive one right now, but rather you.

As for Luvbugz' alleged "partner" on the communicating team (according to Ice's rendition of my post).... here's what JM has posted.

luvbugz, you really seem to be trying to shift the focus away from you. im not seeing kashta being defensive, but you are the one that is really sticking out right about now. you've been really bent up about accusations and all that, and you've successfully put yourself in the spotlight.

Sorry, Luvbugz. I've got nothing to be defensive about. If you're trying to claim that I am as a way to dig yourself out of the hole you've put yourself in... all I can say is you really need to keep looking for something else.
 
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