Mafia 56. An Unknown Evil. THE GAME....

[Coler]

Now, both John and Jpap were killed not by lynching. There are at least two good guys that can kill during the night.

Why do you say there are at least two good guys that can kill...how can you be sure ? Obviously one of the two dead J's could have been hit by scum ? Very interested in your answer to this question.

One took out John (KGB) and the other took out Jpap (Mayor). The line from Wycco's post says SPECIFICALLY "The town is not shy about using their powers". Now, I'm taking it with a grain of salt that Wycco is meaning the good guys here and not the bad guys. town generally refers to the innocents and good PRs. I happen to know this is the case, but well... it involves some logic and another rather embarrassing incident...

Town not shy about using powers...doesn't mean the two dead guys were hit by town power roles...DD lost her exorcism power role as well - presumably a town power role.

What in the world are you talking about in the bit in bold (bolded by me ?)

Out of 12 left, we have two known innocents (known to everyone), one may still have a PR.

You say yourself in your own post that in fact there are many other possibilities for Kashta's role - all we know is that she was not possessed. You're contradicting yourself...

Out of the remaining 10, I hope that there is another CIA agent out there. We also have another townie that can kill (one shot or many?).

So did you kill JL or jpappy ? Is that what you're trying to say ? Again, be clear - because you're looking at the noose right now.

We also have some Lead demon (per DD) and presumably some follower types (or does the Lead demon cause turns)?

There are two further options with that
a) 1 Lead demon and 1 exorcist
b) multiple demons and multiple exorcist types

If a, we're in trouble because the demons are probably recruiters. If b, then we're not out of the woods yet.

Now, some other information was revealed. I can't communicate. DD couldn't communicate. So, hopefully the bad guys can't communicate either.

That's as far as the logic train has gone at this point. I'm hoping that something interesting will turn up and I'm looking at a few things to see if there are any clues.

Thanks for reading...

The rest of the post is waffle old buddy old pal.

 

[Dangerdoll]

The question (unaswered) was really how you can say 'give Ogre the benefit of the doubt and let the town assassin kill him'.



Utter bunk - asked and answered.

re dancing posts - get a life.

ouch...

 

[Coler]

lol awwwwwww DD sorry for being so blunt.

 

[OgreMkV]

Coler, the rest of the post is not waffle. It's the logic train that I used to get me to that point.

Now, I have a question. Was my post at all useful? Am Itrying to help or just telling everyone that their posts are junk... like...ummm... well, you!

I vote to lynch Coler.

To answer your two questions.

I'm not 100% sure that both kills during the last night are townie. I made a comment to that fact in my post, that because of the way Wycco wrote the death posts, I assume that there are two townie killers. I don't think that JOhn would have been allowed to kill after he was killed and his death came first.

At least one of the killers is a townie though. Because, well, I happen to be one. Does that answer your question.

If I'm dead from lynching or dead from bad guys, it doesn't matter, I'm still dead. So my ability is useless to the town. With the exorcist unusable, you better hope that the other killer is townie after you kill me.

I disagree with your comments on Kash. Here's why. I think that it is most likely that we got all the KGB (because of my analysis of the numbers). There fore, she's not KGB... if she was demon evil, then DD would have 'exorcised her' last night... so she's not demon. Unless we hear otherwise, those are the bad guys... KGB and Demon.

Now, an addendum to my vote above. The game where I was the LV, you and Wycco pretty much broke us with in depth analysis like the ones I just did. Why don't you like them in this game.

Regardless of my affiliation, everything I've said is either true or logically concluded from what is true.

So why are you so interested in clouding the issue of Kash. Why do you dismiss, what I think is a useful piece of work? In other words... why are you acting scummy?

Just so no one misses it... I vote to lynch Coler. This isn't an OMGUS vote. Everyone is voting for me so any vote by me is an OMGUS unless accompanied by some real work... which I think I've provided.

If anyone disagrees... please make sure you disagree and provide a good analysis of why, so that whoever's left after tonight can see where everyone else stands.

 

[Kashta]

I think we're looking at someone else out there who can kill or place hits. If we look at the nightfall sequence of events... there were 3 assassinations/hits attempted last night. Two were successful, but one failed. Why? Because Phoenix was a KGB Assassin... she was the first to die, so her hit could not be completed.

Nightfall Sequence of Events

1. Night falls.
2. Town Lynch - Phoenix KGB Assassin.
3. Exorcism - DD attempt on me/failed. DD's powers lost.
4. Unknown Hit - JohnLarson dead, KGB Interrogator.
5. Unknown Hit - Jpapy dead, Town Mayor (wore ring of the dead).
6. Daylight starts with delivery of newspaper.

At first I thought there must be two more KGB assassins out there in addition to Phoenix. As an assassin, Phoenix would have had submitted her hit by PM before nightfall. But once she got killed, whatever hit she'd placed would no longer go through. It's not like she'd planted a car bomb that was set to detonate after she died. In both cases (JL and Jpap), two people who are still alive trailed them both in the dark, killing them directly after Phoenix was already dead.

 

[Coler]

Coler, the rest of the post is not waffle. It's the logic train that I used to get me to that point.

Now, I have a question. Was my post at all useful? Am Itrying to help or just telling everyone that their posts are junk... like...ummm... well, you!

I continue to reserve the right to say posts are junk when they're junk. I think you're trying to enlist some wounded feelings to your cause.

I vote to lynch Coler.

To answer your two questions.

I'm not 100% sure that both kills during the last night are townie. I made a comment to that fact in my post, that because of the way Wycco wrote the death posts, I assume that there are two townie killers. I don't think that JOhn would have been allowed to kill after he was killed and his death came first.

At least one of the killers is a townie though. Because, well, I happen to be one. Does that answer your question.

OOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooh...this is getting interesting...ok which one did you kill Ogre ? Out with it - or are you worried that naming the one you killed will be known to be incorrect to at least one person ?

Name your victim

If I'm dead from lynching or dead from bad guys, it doesn't matter, I'm still dead. So my ability is useless to the town. With the exorcist unusable, you better hope that the other killer is townie after you kill me.

What are you saying your ability is exactly ?

I disagree with your comments on Kash. Here's why. I think that it is most likely that we got all the KGB (because of my analysis of the numbers). There fore, she's not KGB... if she was demon evil, then DD would have 'exorcised her' last night... so she's not demon. Unless we hear otherwise, those are the bad guys... KGB and Demon.

Ogre...the only comment I made on Kash was that you had somewhat contradicted yourself in discussing her.

Now, an addendum to my vote above. The game where I was the LV, you and Wycco pretty much broke us with in depth analysis like the ones I just did. Why don't you like them in this game.

I love in depth analysis - but you havn't given any.

Regardless of my affiliation, everything I've said is either true or logically concluded from what is true.

...

So why are you so interested in clouding the issue of Kash. Why do you dismiss, what I think is a useful piece of work? In other words... why are you acting scummy?

Again, I don't cloud the issue - I would have her as an innocent myself - re-read.

Just so no one misses it... I vote to lynch Coler. This isn't an OMGUS vote. Everyone is voting for me so any vote by me is an OMGUS unless accompanied by some real work... which I think I've provided.

You are either what you say you are or scum I am not 100% sure which. Your vote on me is utterly misplaced.

If anyone disagrees... please make sure you disagree and provide a good analysis of why, so that whoever's left after tonight can see where everyone else stands.

My comments are in red.

 

[Coler]

I think we're looking at someone else out there who can kill or place hits. If we look at the nightfall sequence of events... there were 3 assassinations/hits attempted last night. Two were successful, but one failed. Why? Because Phoenix was a KGB Assassin... she was the first to die, so her hit could not be completed.

Nightfall Sequence of Events

1. Night falls.
2. Town Lynch - Phoenix KGB Assassin.
3. Exorcism - DD attempt on me/failed. DD's powers lost.
4. Unknown Hit - JohnLarson dead, KGB Interrogator.
5. Unknown Hit - Jpapy dead, Town Mayor (wore ring of the dead).
6. Daylight starts with delivery of newspaper.

At first I thought there must be two more KGB assassins out there in addition to Phoenix. As an assassin, Phoenix would have had submitted her hit by PM before nightfall. But once she got killed, whatever hit she'd placed would no longer go through. It's not like she'd planted a car bomb that was set to detonate after she died. In both cases (JL and Jpap), two people who are still alive trailed them both in the dark, killing them directly after Phoenix was already dead.

yes this makes pretty much 100% sense.

 

[rich311k]

It does not follow that both of those people were KGB though. The CIA could have a hit and guessed wrong, the demon could get a hit as well. Could also be a player who gets a single hit during the game. Why they would use it on night one is beyond me but they could have.

 

[Kashta]

Continuing on that, I guess. With this in mind.. who are the 3 individuals or teams who placed those hits?

Wycco told us already that we're facing 3 threats:

1. Dead Innocent Team.
2. KGB Team.
3. Demon Team.

This was Nightfall #1......... the Dead Innocent Team doesn't exist yet and, therefore, could not have hit anyone.

 

[OgreMkV]

Coler, I said Kash was innocent, you jumped me on it, then you have her as innocent.

Kash posted the sequence of events and makes what I consider an invalid assumption, yet you consider her to be 100% accurate.

Kash, how are there 3 assassination attempts last night and how do you know one failed???

Let me try this again. I KNOW THAT JPAP WAS NOT KILLED BY THE KGB!