Mafia 62- The Play

[jpappy789]

A couple thoughts about this post. Jpap, I would like to know what the difference is between the bolded phrase above and anyone else saying "I'm leaning soandso innocent". You stated that she said she trusted me. This is not what she said at all. For someone who's been so hung up on semantics, you seem to have twisted what Labby said and ran with your own version. This seems to be the same thing you did with Ag, and we know how that turned out. Again, this could be just a misguided pittbull of a townie, but it seems odd.

The reason that it's so disconcerting is because you're a top suspect with a lot of townies. And because I can see the reasons why. To me though, the trigger hasn't been pulled yet.

Let me get this straight Papster... the fact that I've been helpful means nothing to you? Is that right? I thought I had something crazy in my eye. Can you explain -like I was a 5 year old- WTF you mean by this?



I've got to go back and look at Labby's posts again. It's not easy for me to say this after being chumped last time, but I really don't see the case against her, and several people seem to be making it. I'm going to have to go back and look at this.

Again, Jpap; this isn't what was said. It's interesting to me that you have been so concerned with the way people are phrasing things, but you seem to interpreting this one your own way. At least from how I read what she said.

Oh, and for all of you who are going to say I'm defending Labby: :headshake2: and shame on you for thinking I'd be so simple.

JB, please read the post below:

I'm agreeing with you because I trust you more than most of the others. Why is that disconcerting? I gave you the list of my top innocent choices.

She trusts you (Zaffy and Z also) most out of the people playing. What other way is there to interpret what she has said?

I have already said that IMO it is far too early to be pushing people to the innocent side. Its day 2 for goodness sakes! There are definitely people not on my scum list but I cannot say that I have anyone "leaning innocent". And yes, that includes you. Being helpful and posting a lot does not have a bearing on which way people go because obviously not just innocents are going to appear to be helping. Unless your posts nail a mafia or two I'm not going to see you as potentially innocent.

There she is!! finally something with a bit of substance. :



C'mon Rich. You aint no dummy. Let's see something a little more definitive. You have skated thru many a game as mafia by flying under the radar and you always have me a bit nervous. Let's say you change up your play style and give us some meat to go with the mush?

Rgiht now I would have to say my top 4 suspects are:

Labby - While the huge train makes me a bit nervous she is still my top suspect. The recent finger pointing, pleas and grabbing onto others she notes as innocent remind me of a drowning person grabbing onto and dragging down as many others with her as she can. I am ok with her finding me suspect, but I just dont get the how she insists that Dawg and I have been distancing when the only post I can think of were the initial joke post. Reminds me of Luvbugz a bit....hhhmmmm- that did not always work out in the towns favor. (poor Bugz, where did she go anyway?)

Rich/DD - they are tied for second place. DD is always on my scum radar and altho she did finally post something with a bit of meat to it, I would like to see more that looks like she is helping. Rich, well, I outlined that above. He is not producing much either.

Jpap - while I said I would give you the benefit of the doubt on the Ag banter, I tend to agree that you seemed to be single minded there and that does not seem typical for you at all. What else you got dude?

Not sure of number 4 yet, but off the top of my head I would say Ice. Need to do a bit more research first................The Noob has me a bit worried. We either scared him off or he has been told to lay low by his team mates. This tactic seems to be used often and appears to work with noobs. not sure I wanna give him a pass just cuz he is new............

more in a bit.

I have listed all my suspects already but apparently that still makes me narrow minded. Didn't know I had to have so many strong suspects this early in the game...



I will be back hopefully with some posts not directed at me.

 

[jpappy789]

I was going to try to make sense of the whole Agas/Dr issue between Dawg and Ice but its far too complicated to see who has actually twisting whose words compared to misinterpreting.

But I did find something interesting...

Here are 2 more that say Ag should have claimed Detective. Really would anyone have believed him?

Dawg?
Z?
Lab?

Would you have believed him? And Z since you're the only one of the 3 to be on Ag where would your vote have moved to if you answer yes.




And this means what to you?




I don't see Jpap as being mafia at this time. On Day 1 mafia doesn't need to try so hard to attack (as everyones putting it) one person. They put out suspicion on many and then let the town go on the witch hunt.

Ok, so Ice doesn't see me as mafia.

Helps me immensely.

I also garner from this that Z, Rich and I are your top suspects?

JB isn't colored,whats that mean?




He voted like an hour before you posted.




I want to thank you both.I was on the fence this morning about keeping my vote on Lab. I think she is being sincere but I didn't want to be rash and just jump. I've had her and Noods as suspects thinking one of the 2 is mafia. Then Noods post about the train coming her way really swayed me to think she was saying this as a preventive measure to make other innocents not want to move to her. Then the posts above sealed the deal for me.

I retract my vote on Lab and vote to lynch Noodles



My suspect list is now:

Noods
Razz
Dawg/Jpap ( but more because Razz has them listed as innocent)

Of Dawg/Jpap I'd only suspect 1 of the 2 is actually mafia. IMO it would be Jpap over Dawg. I feel that they are hoping that Dawgs posts against me will sway me to look his way when Razz shows mafia.

Now suddenly I am a suspect of his (3rd, technically) because of what Razz and Dawg said.

Razz listing ANYONE as innocent is suspicious to me. As I have already said, its far too early to be leaning anyone that way.

And when have I mentioned anything Dawg said, other then saying that both sides in your banter misunderstood each other? To be honest, I could care less if you looked at me over Dawg if Razz were to come up mafia but I dont know how the hell you came to this conclusion.

Please, enlighten me Ice.

 

[jpappy789]

Here's Razz...

I agree that voting against low posters might work but we truely got lucky last game (in the beginning of course) but, as none of us have much to go on, I vote to lynch Ag.

A rather hasty vote on Agass, really for no reason at all.

So, I'm caught up and we have quite a bit more input but nothing really solid to go on. I still have Ag leading my suspect list but it's more of a gut feeling (as most people's votes are) Just to get a list out there:

Ag- Gut feeling so we shall see.
Jpap- If Ag is mafia I think he is also due to the whole banter thing that went on.
Lab- Not much to go on but still more than I have for anyone else.

My list WILL change after day one but for now this is it.

Agass is now a gut feel, suspects me for going after agass, and for some reason Lab is up there.

This strikes me as odd...I don't think anyone really suspected Lab until today.

From what I understand it may have been a trap. I can't say for sure but if Ag is innocent then Jpap has to go next. Unless something else comes up of course.

Starts agreeing with the idea that I trapped Agass-an idea that Lab really pushed for. Interesting that I am stated as having to go next.

I find it odd that now that Lab is on a lot of lists and then she suddenly agrees with JB (not on anyones list). I kind of think that could be mafia trying to hide with an innocent (maybe innocent). I agree that DD is very quiet but again, I don't know whats up.

My list in order:
Lab
Jpap
DD/Ice

So suddenly Lab moves up the list because of a rehashed idea.

I feel like there are enough people voting for Lab to make it a "town decision" so I feel comfortable going with the rest of the townies (Hopefully) and vote to lynch Lab.

Votes lab in order to go with the town.

If you look back, Lab was and is at the top of my list. She has proved herself to be a very good player and may be doing it again this game.

Defends himself stating that Lab was already a suspect...true, but why? Oh, because shes a good player (last game) and because you want to go with the town.

The more of Labs posts I read the more she looks less scummy. That may just be a good player tricking me but I almost want to switch my vote........ Now who looks more scummy?
Labrat

I think are innocent, I think are mafia, I can't tell yet

Dawg - I don't see anything scummy about Dawg. They seem to be helping the town.
DD - Hasn't been around much so I cannot lean her either way as of now.
Ice - Seems very different. It may just him being tired of being killed early or it may be a way for him to keep the town from lynching a mafia player.
JB - I can't tell for sure but there is just something about him that makes me think he is a mafia player. Mostly a gut feeling
JL - Seems pro-town but with what everyone else is saying I can't decide if I should take him completly off my list of suspects.
Jpap - Very pro-town, and very helpful so far.
Labrat - The more I read what she has said the less I think she is mafia. Again, she may be pulling the wool over my eyes so I am leaning mafia but not quite. (She would be my 4th pick for mafia.)
Mich - Hasn't voted, hasn't put anything out there for us to go on and I son't know why. It worries me that he may be trying to stay off the radar with his lack of posting.
Noodles - I don't understand why people think she is mafia. Unless I missed something I don't see the case against her.
Razz - I know my role.
Rich - Again is a low poster and is only putting things out there that can't be built on.
Zaffy - Good player but I don't know their playing habits so I can't go either way.
Zsand - A good player but he just isn't sitting right with me. I can't put my finger on it but they just seem like they are playing a game from the mafia side.

HTH

Now Lab (after "reading") is less scummy. I'm off the list, as is DD who was there initially for being quiet so I understand that particular move.

Razz's suspects are:

Ice- seems different
JB- gut feeling
Rich- low posting
Zs- not sitting right

This list is waaaaay too fluffy. Absolutely no hard evidence is involved.

JB should be red. My bad I must have missed his name when I went back and changed the colors.

I don't think she is completly innocent but the way it sounds I could see her being innocent. I didn't change my vote because she is still my strongest suspect so I don't want to change to someone I don't feel as strongly about. But then again, Ice, you seem to react rather odd to my post when I put you on the mafia team. Why is it that you look to my most trusted players over my least trusted players? Is it because you are mafia and you are trying to make it seem like I am? Why am I on your list? I posted my thoughts and now I'm evil? I may have to vote you tonight but I'll wait for your responce before I change my vote.

So basically Razz is on the fence with Lab but cannot change his vote because she is his strongest suspect. Intersting that in his list he says that Lab "would be my 4th pick for mafia". Huh.

You certainly dont feel strongly about ANYONE but the fact that you are now voting for your 4th strongest suspect who is someone who looks more and more innocent to you is certainly making me feel strongly about you being mafia.

So tell me, Razz, your plan was to say that you "had a feeling" about Lab being innocent when she was lynched, but you still wanted to make sure she was gone?

I retract my vote on Lab

I would vote for Razz in a heartbeat but it would be wasted. Of the other two with more than one vote (Noods and Ice) I would be inclined to vote Ice but I want to look more in depth at what noods has said to bring so much attention. My suspicions of Ice are not as strong as mine on Razz either.

 

[Dangerdoll]

hmmmmm.... I really don't like the rush onto Lab and because I have not played with her before, as much as I think she looks a little scummy, my suspicions on people is going back and forth with the evidence everyone else is mentioning.... sorry I haven't done much more than read but am in a little pain today. The thing that peeked my interest was jb above everyone else pointing out Noods on how she really doesnt have too much to say for the game as far as the quoting and cracking she usually does... and then soon to follow would be Noods quoting and cracking... she also mentioned prior to this that she was waiting for certain players (me) to have some meat in my post yet she didn't really have any to hers at that point. I don't like how quickly the train moved to lab though I still do suspect her, I just think I see a little more suspicion in Noods at this point. (I still luv ya though, Noods )

I vote to lynch Noods

 

[AnniesNotOK]

DAY TWO


Jpap-0- Lab(#231)
Lab-3- JL(#243), Jpap(#252), Noods(#257), Ice(#310), ZS(#322), Noods(#327),Razz(#330)
Ice-2- Dawg(#320), Mich(#392)
ZS-1- Zaffy(#350)
Noods-5- Lab(#365), JB(#369), Ice(#400), ZS(#408), DD(#414)

No vote from Jpap, and Rich



NIGHTFALL IN 3hours 40 minutes

PM'S AS REQUIRED

 

[IceH2O]

Ok, so Ice doesn't see me as mafia.



Now suddenly I am a suspect of his (3rd, technically) because of what Razz and Dawg said.

Razz listing ANYONE as innocent is suspicious to me. As I have already said, its far too early to be leaning anyone that way.

And when have I mentioned anything Dawg said, other then saying that both sides in your banter misunderstood each other? To be honest, I could care less if you looked at me over Dawg if Razz were to come up mafia but I dont know how the hell you came to this conclusion.

Please, enlighten me Ice.

I feel that they are hoping that Dawgs posts against me will sway me to look his way when Razz shows mafia.

This is my reason why I'd put you over Dawg on that list. The list is really based on Razzes list and how I felt about Noods. As I said in the list you and Dawg only made it because Razz listed you as innocents. I really had no feeling either way on either of you. But if one of you are mafia I would think they would want me to think it was Dawg since he has posted against me.


Razz, if you have a better reason then I'm playing differently then by all means vote me. I've already explained why I came out like I did.

 

[jpappy789]

Here is Noods...

well, I s'pose I will go ahead and vote my uselss day one vote before i get on with my own evening.
I vote to lynch Dangerdoll, because I can and it feels good to type! This is subject to change as obviously a lone is useless, but then again it is nite one, so who knows what may or may not present itself.

First vote is DD.

Then again....some of the others have piqued my interest as I stated earlier...I must go shower and think. hhhhhmmmmm, wish I had not quit drinking beer. I miss the way it helped me think!

States that "others" have her interest but needs to think it over.

I retract my vote for Dangerdoll and vote to lynch Labby I think that ties it up again but not sure if my tracking is correct. (work has been crazy)
Not sure my vote will stay there til nightfall but I feel pretty good about it right now. She has proven herself to be a pretty good player and able to pull the wool over even vets eyes. At this point I am not willing to take the chance.....I will do my best to sneak on here in an hour or so and try to put up a list altho one it is pretty flimsy.......

Apparently Lab is a suspect because she fooled everyone last time.

You have been active, that does not mean you are a townie. I agree that my vote is largely based on how well you have played the past couple of games but the comments made about Alex and then your vote for him are a bit fishy. As for Rich, no, not suspicious, yet. the banter between Ag and JP seems pretty typical for JP. He finds something to pick at and keeps picking away until he is satisfied. (eeewww, wonder if he picked his scabs as a kid!) LOL

the rest in no particular order:

Ice, I got nothin yet except that he seems resigned to the fact hat he will be hit or lynched early.

Kash, pretty quiet thus far but it is day one..

Zaffy, no read
DD, evil to the core! (JK, I have no idea)
Dawg, no read
JL, no read
Zsand - suspicious as we have not had a "question" yet and it is almost the end of day one!

JB, creeping up on the meter, but this could also be residual from him killing off Santa! :angryfire:

Razz, no read yet.

Obviously, day one has me pretty baffled and right now my vote sits where I feel it is best. This certainly may change as the daylight fades........

oops, forgot the new kid on the block...:huh:
think that is everyone.

Now adds in the comments about Alex for why she suspects Lab. Interesting that she still looks at Lab mainly because of last game.

LMAO! I am not blaming Stephen King! (the man is god-like and has no faults) I said I always post a bit 'off' and am usually supsect. I excused my current wicked sense of humor on being into a SK novel. It is day 1 for crying in the mud. excuuuuuuuse me for not having any solid suspects that move you down the list. Me distance form Dawg? ok, I never trust Dawg and not seeing any distancing going on. There are quite a few players on you and not seeing how it comes down to me and dawg. looks like you may be safe tonite anyway so chil. I fully expect to be in the hot seat tomorrow which is ok. been there - done that.

And Z - Under the Dome was excellent. Not quite on the same level as The Stand but excellent none the less! :silly:

Now, I need to finish cleaning up the mess in the kitchen and hit the shower...........

The whole Stephen King mess...I found this post to be typical Noods, overdoing it.

Here's where things got interesting...

you are kinda stinky right now, but I need to reread and rethink this mess over.....GAH!

Right after night.

:thud:....I must think....and sleep...........and dream of beer! :cheers:

Going to bed...

ok, before I go for the night, I am going to go with my initial instinct and vote to lynch LabRat..............

But votes for Lab? Apparently its a gut instinct.

Well, to start with I retract my vote for Labby. While I am not taking her off of my list, I need to look deeper and at other players before I place a vote. My vote last night was a bit of a knee jerk reaction.

(and Lab, as far as my "posting style/count"-if you recall the other game we played together it was also noted that I was quieter then usual and I was innocent so not sure how that is indicative of anything)

As for Dawg and I distancing, I am not seeing that at all. I have no idea what Dawg's role is so I dont need to distance from him. if you are referring to his joke vote to get me talking, that is really grasping at straws!

DD is extremely quiet this time, Could be real life issues with her too but still no real input; I am also surprised that she was not Jpap's day one vote. I think that is extremely out of the ordinary! Could be something to look into further.
The way Jpap seemed to set up Ag is discerning to say the least. I know there were others that obviously found Ag suspicious but JP could not seem to let up.....

I had hoped to get all the way thru the list but I will have to continue this later. I have to go pay bills on my lunch break. ugh!
(Payday - in one hand, out the other!):cry:

Explains that the vote was a "knee jerk reaction" (to what?). The rest is a bunch of stuff that barely scratches the surface, but she notes that she will be digging deeper before placing the vote.

ok, I had hoped to have more time to devote today, but it is not working out except for checking in sporadically. I still think that Labby is not on the up and up. The latest pleas dig even deeper IMO.

Jpap, the banter and cornering with Ag last night was really suspect but I am proned to believe that he is a better player then that; so waiting on that one....

Ice, I agree that he had been playing "off" but at the moment am willing to write this off as being resigned to being killed off early. Not clearing him, mind you just giving a pass for the time being....a very short time being.

DD, sorry to hear about your surgery but I really hope to hear something of substance otherwise you seriously move waaaayyy up the list.

Rich? Is Rich here? Same with Mich.....absence does not make the heart grow fonder in this game...........

More in the morning. Hubby will be gone for a hours so my thoughts will be my own for while! High maintenance men are not worth the trouble!

For now, I will put my vote back where it was until I come with a better summation. I vote to lynch Labby

Not much substance at all but still revotes Lab.

aaaahhhhh! Hubby just left to go fishing. My thoughts are my own for a few hours! :dance:

ok, skimmed real quick to get caught up.
Jbradt, without quoting your lenghty, yet flattering post on me, you did miss a key post or two outlining my suspects. Prob not with solid reasons but it was only after one nightfall.

I have feeling we may have scared Mich off. Too bad we need the new blood. Hope he gets back in the game before nightfall.

Time to go see what I can come up with.......

Noods says that she skimmed and it looks as if she would be coming back with some new info.

There she is!! finally something with a bit of substance. :



C'mon Rich. You aint no dummy. Let's see something a little more definitive. You have skated thru many a game as mafia by flying under the radar and you always have me a bit nervous. Let's say you change up your play style and give us some meat to go with the mush?

Rgiht now I would have to say my top 4 suspects are:

Labby - While the huge train makes me a bit nervous she is still my top suspect. The recent finger pointing, pleas and grabbing onto others she notes as innocent remind me of a drowning person grabbing onto and dragging down as many others with her as she can. I am ok with her finding me suspect, but I just dont get the how she insists that Dawg and I have been distancing when the only post I can think of were the initial joke post. Reminds me of Luvbugz a bit....hhhmmmm- that did not always work out in the towns favor. (poor Bugz, where did she go anyway?)

Rich/DD - they are tied for second place. DD is always on my scum radar and altho she did finally post something with a bit of meat to it, I would like to see more that looks like she is helping. Rich, well, I outlined that above. He is not producing much either.

Jpap - while I said I would give you the benefit of the doubt on the Ag banter, I tend to agree that you seemed to be single minded there and that does not seem typical for you at all. What else you got dude?

Not sure of number 4 yet, but off the top of my head I would say Ice. Need to do a bit more research first................The Noob has me a bit worried. We either scared him off or he has been told to lay low by his team mates. This tactic seems to be used often and appears to work with noobs. not sure I wanna give him a pass just cuz he is new............

more in a bit.

Nothing all that surprising...the list is basically the same things she's been saying about players. Doesn't look like she has dug any deeper.

Why is that concerning? My initial vote was a knee jerk vote after nightfall on my top suspect. I retracted as I wanted to do a little more research and thinking. I s'ppose I could have just left my vote there while I thought about but I didnt. Dont see how that indicates anything...:huh:

that's ok. I can hear the train a comin. It's coming round the bend.....

Defends her vote switching. Notes that people are going to pile up votes on her...

uuuummmm, first of all just because I do not pull, post and scrutinize every post Labby has made does not mean I did not so any research. Pulling tons of posts and commenting on them has never been the way i play. Second of all, I could care less if i was 3rd on Lab. I did not even notice that i was until you just mentioned it.

Just for the record, here are a few comments tht i did make about my suspisions of Lab.







Probably because you followed right along after her? I can see it coming. Several others have voiced their suspisions of me. Not really much of a jump based on that. NOPE, no guilty conscience at all.......

Says that she doesn't pull a lot of posts.

I just have a couple minutes between chores, but I have been thinking about Labby. .....I just cant shake the feeling that all she has really done is make a lot of posts that are nothing more then self preservation pleas instead of trying to build cases against others............part of me feels like deja vu ~ the way Luvbugz painted her self into a corner and just kept digging the hole deeper, and more times then not she was innocent.... The scum feeling is still stronger so my vote stands for now. Rich would be where my vote would move, if I should move at all.........

Glad to see Mich pop in. I hope he votes before nightfall. Will be interesting to see where DD and Rich place their votes.

More thinking about Lab...

I hate second guessing myself! My suspisions have had Labby at the top of the list all along and I need to stick to with my instincts.

But ends up sticking to her instincts.


Noods has definitely been thinking and digging, according to her posts, but the problem is that nothing is remarkably different than what she's already said. Nothing all that insightful either.

 

[jpappy789]

I feel that they are hoping that Dawgs posts against me will sway me to look his way when Razz shows mafia.

This is my reason why I'd put you over Dawg on that list. The list is really based on Razzes list and how I felt about Noods. As I said in the list you and Dawg only made it because Razz listed you as innocents. I really had no feeling either way on either of you. But if one of you are mafia I would think they would want me to think it was Dawg since he has posted against me.


Razz, if you have a better reason then I'm playing differently then by all means vote me. I've already explained why I came out like I did.

So basically you think me and Razz are working together to get you to vote Dawg? Thats the worst conspiracy theory I have heard, and that includes everything Kashta has posted to date...:screwy:

 

[IceH2O]

I didn't ever say you were doing anything. But if you are on that team then I could see Razz using Dawgs post as a setup on him against me.

Again I only have you as a suspect because of the innocent list she posted.

Don't understand why you are so worried about being on my suspect list when its been pointed out pretty clearly that its only because you were on her list as an innocent.

 

[jpappy789]

I didn't ever say you were doing anything. But if you are on that team then I could see Razz using Dawgs post as a setup on him against me.

Again I only have you as a suspect because of the innocent list she posted.

Don't understand why you are so worried about being on my suspect list when its been pointed out pretty clearly that its only because you were on her list as an innocent.

Its because, as I pointed out, it was done after you said you didn't see me as mafia. Then all of a sudden Razz's post possibly puts me on a team with them.