Mafia #67 - 50/50 -- The Play

[IceH2O]

How so JB?

Wiz, so now you're going to not go on FF's word and assume he posted lies when innocent? He clearly wanted anyone mafia to investigate him. If you believe that he did this for the stated reason of knowing who was mafia based on votes then it's obvious he wasn't posting that to Lab, since that's what he said.

You cannot believe one thing FF said but then turn around and pick and choose what he said was his true intentions on the basis on implicating someone else.

Wiz you are wrong in your assessment of how FF asked.

I don't really see that it matters if he was asking Lab or the mafia team as its proven he was innocent. Only thing that matters is that the context of the post was misdirected by Lab and the platform of her attack.

 

[jpappy789]

Kash, maybe you would like to just answer the question presented then. Your post was filled with other people's viewing about not lynching FF but had no direct correlation to my original question regarding JB's suggestion. I chose to ignore that and counter the parts of your post that did deal with what I specifically asked about.

I, first of all, wanted to know because you said you agreed with what Jb had said. I wanted to know if that included his suggestion since it has been widely regarded as not a good idea, if not scummy.

You seemed to agree with it, or at least made no objections. So I countered because apparently you missed everything said in regards to the the specific suggestion Jb made that keeping FF around EVEN IF MAFIA could help the town.

Even Jb thinks the suggestion was flawed. How can you not?

 

[IceH2O]

Mad

I never said I knew FF was innocent.

I'm saying "we' as in the players...Its funny that Lab has posted a number of times using the word innocent as being her but you don't question that at all.

I welcome your vote. I was feeling a bit left out and thought maybe I wasn't picking on the right suspects.

 

[jpappy789]

Not saying anything about your suspects, but I don't see why mafia players would need to hide this game...it's a 50/50. IMO players would be more interested in making their alignment known versus trying to blend in.

Doesn't mean people aren't going to take that approach.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Frankly, because I agreed with how I interpreted the remarks JB posted at the time they were made. Even if FF had turned out to be mafia, he's still a small fish in a big pond.

What we lost as our opportunity to root out scummy players who are MUCH more dangerous to the town than FF could even hope to be at this point has hurt us more now (even if he wasn't innocent) than had we'd simply tagged FF as a possible suspect at that time, kept tabs on how other people in the game relate to him in the thread and as votes were placed, and gone ahead to look for more serious threats against us.

Wrong. It's a numbers game... any known mafia should be dead mafia. As scum, FF's body-weight would have been equal to the body-weight any "more serious threats," as you put it...

 

[Lab_Rat]

Wiz you are wrong in your assessment of how FF asked.

I don't really see that it matters if he was asking Lab or the mafia team as its proven he was innocent. Only thing that matters is that the context of the post was misdirected by Lab and the platform of her attack.

You seem so hung up on my "misdirection". Are you unable to see that I picked up on what I thought was scum asking scum to investigate? It was not intentional misdirection, I was emphasizing what stuck out to me. The rest of the statement made zero sense to me. Zero.

Seems like you're using my misinterpretation and twisting my actions with the repeated accusing of it being a misdirection. I haven't said anything until now but you just can't let it go. I thought you said you saw other things to look into...

 

[IceH2O]

Mad one more thing.

Is this your best case against me? That I thought FF was scummy at one point of the game and could still have been?

I'm pretty sure if you reread all my posts you'll see most of them were against Lab for twisting the context of FFs post and why in the end my vote never moved.

Anyone want to deny that and back Mad up on that?

 

[IceH2O]

You seem so hung up on my "misdirection". Are you unable to see that I picked up on what I thought was scum asking scum to investigate? It was not intentional misdirection, I was emphasizing what stuck out to me. The rest of the statement made zero sense to me. Zero.

Seems like you're using my misinterpretation and twisting my actions with the repeated accusing of it being a misdirection. I haven't said anything until now but you just can't let it go. I thought you said you saw other things to look into...

I understand that Lab.I was pointing out to Wiz how he was reading it wrong and pointing out the effect of what it turned out to be.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Mad

I never said I knew FF was innocent.

I never said that you said that you knew FF was innocent...

I'm pointing out that yesterday you explicitly called FF scum and maintained that stance until he flipped town. Then you waffled and said "I didn't think FF was scummy...those other guys did..."

Mad one more thing.

Is this your best case against me? That I thought FF was scummy at one point of the game and could still have been?

I'm pretty sure if you reread all my posts you'll see most of them were against Lab for twisting the context of FFs post and why in the end my vote never moved.

Ice, you came out after those voting for FF today. Today you claimed that you no longer found FF scummy once you voted for Lab. Your quotes that I've posted above show that when you voted Lab, you STILL claimed that FF was scum. You claimed that they were scum-buddies.

Kinda makes your finger pointing and early D2 statements like "Here's where they say FF sure seemed like scum," more than interesting as you also maintained that FF was scummy until he flipped.

So yeah, that's pretty much ALL I got....but it's good.

Those who need clarification can look at Ice's quotes again in post 730...

 

[AnniesNotOK]

JB how can you not have any suspects 1 way or the other or even just an idea of who you think. I know you've said Jpap and Lab but you really have no opiions on anyone else at all?




Statements like this always raise a red flag in my mind.






If Lab and Jpap have been singled out then why aren't they considered your top suspects?



What are your thoughts on Mad then Annie? He hasn't really kicked many bushes and the questions he asked have been mostly to Tank,plus he voted FF.





In a game where numbers mean everything you were willing to vote out a player not because he was scummy but because he was a distraction?



I feel like I need to agree with Jpap on this. You said you prefer quality over quantity but there isn't any quality to a post that just repeats what others have said.





I again have to agree with Jpap. I can't see how these 2 reasons can be switched.

At this point I would disagree with what you've said about Mad not kicking any bushes. Seems to me his logic so far has been sound. Do you have a case you'd like me to read on Mad? Post it, I'll read it and decide if I agree or disagree.

If someone latches on then fine, maybe they too think you're a scumbag.

Your whole opportunistic approach is exactly what concerns me. Jumped on FF and didn't follow up on the questions you did ask. You just went right back to insisting that FF was scum.

It seems Lab did most of the work for you. Me to a lesser extent.

Those who generally "defended" (I'm using that word loosely atm) FF were Ice, JB, Kash, and JL somewhat. Who did you question out of all those people? One, and it was one post that was later ignored when JL countered with questions directed at you.

For implying that it was so clear to you that FF was scum and those "defending" him were too you didn't do anything to back it up at all. You wanted to stay out of the confusion? Why? It was clear to you apparently so what more could you add?

I await your follow up.

I didnt question any of them Jpap. You're right. I was convinced FF was scum, and I decided to observe the chaos rather than add more. Nothing, and I mean nothing FF posted until nightfall changed my mind in that regard. However, I thought it would be prudent to confirm FF's role before I went kicking JL's door, or JB's, or anyone else defending him.

If you think I'm an opportunistic scumbag, then vote for me.

No, it's not. I voted to lynch FF because I found what he said to be scummy. In hindsight, I should have taken about 10 steps back and re-evaluated the situation, but when each post seemed scummier than the previous I just kept going with it. A couple of hours before nightfall the doubt started creeping in...by that time it was too late to change course.

I am voting for JB for a couple of reasons. He made the claim that it was more valuable to keep FF around even if FF was scum. In this format, that claim does not make any sense to me. When it's a numbers game that's this close, keeping scum around does not help the town in any way, unlike last game where keeping Noods around afforded protection for the IW (at least if the IW was hit it would help the town). Additionally, JB has not been pulling posts and kicking bushes like he normally would. Now that I point this out, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts doing so. Last game was the same way...I had him leaning scum, then he started playing his usual game so I moved him back to the idk zone. That was a huge mistake.




Annie, that was a marvelous guilt trip, topped by a hefty dose of flattery you put forth...do you really think I'm shallow enough to fall for that? Why did you feel the need to employ such tactics? This does not make me think you're innocent...makes me think you're trying to make yourself look good for when I get lynched and show innocent.



I'm seeing a lot of Noods testing the waters and going with the flow, her observations and suspects mimicking the attitude of the town at the time of her posts. Making no waves, blending in, not committing one way or the other on anything of substance. I do hope she follows up with her promise to step up and play, and I hope she puts forth some original thought/theories.

And Kash, I'm sorry to say you're going to be disappointed in my role...

I don't care if you think I'm innocent or not.

And if you call that a hefty dose of compliments, I'd read it again. It was one compliment. Maybe for you thats a hefty dose. I've never seen you but its apparent I was probably being generous when I said you were pretty if thats how you'd define a hefty dose.. I won't employ such tactics with you in the future there toots.

And the "when I show innocent" routine is getting old. I may change my mind about your innocence before I'm even finished typing this post.

I posted my thoughts if people want to question me about stuff I will respond, probably as crankily as possible.

Yeah, me too.

Annie... 1)FF was your best suspect yesterday, so I'm sure you'll excuse me if I pay no attention to your thoughts whatsoever. 2) I will say that I never said I didn't have a suspect.

Thanks for the compliment, Rich; but I'm not sidestepping, I'm out and out ignoring at this point.

Ice... 1) See my response to Annie, 2) I'm not going to explain myself. You guys are just going to read into it what you want anyway.

Ice... I've mentioned before that I don't do things because I'm told to. Likewise I don't respond well to being called chicken, or pressured into doing anything until I'm ready. This time is no different.

Labby... nope, no need to worry about that.

Given the pressure that I'm seeing, and the penchant that the whole town has for seeing what they want, not what's really there; I'm keeping my thoughts to myself for a while longer. If you think that's anti-town, then vote for me.

The other reason that I'm not going to post more now is that right now my mindset is that "the town" is an idiot. Keep in mind I don't feel that way about any given individual, but when we get together we couldn't reason our way into a discount at Walmart. In this state of mind, my posting will not be helpful.














Kash... thanks for having some goddam sense...

Pay attention to this scumbag. I vote to lynch JB.

Pocket mafia that genius.

Thanks Dag, I mean Jpap. Why the defense?

Not innocent still doesn't mean should be voted out, SB is still a possible help to the innocent team.


What is your take on the SB? What is everyones take on the SB?

My take on the SB.

If I were the SB, I'd tell you, right now in this very post, that I was the SB and blow half this godforsaken town to hell that's what.