Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[Kashta]

Kash, could you post a headline on Day 1? And if so, how could you know what to post? Did you get to investigate during day 1?

Yes, in Game 56 I had to submit a headline on Night 1 but had nothing I could tell anyone. I didn't get invest results until after nightfall was over and that didn't show up in the headline until the following day. Every invest I sent in was one game day behind.

 

[Kashta]

I THINK there were 3 mafia still, they were KGB, the CIA were good. I don't think that we have more now then before..it was just that set up of course I really have no idea about anything at this point.
I have to get off here for now, if I don't fall asleep I will get back on, if I do I will get back in the morning before going to work.

And that opinion is based on what, exactly, Lady G?

You mention nothing about demonic souls (or a single demonic soul, if you prefer). Unless you are on the mafia team, you don't know. So what makes you think there was or wasn't a turn last night?

 

[Lab_Rat]

That's the problem, Lab Rat. Whichever way you try to read it, it still doesn't add up. So as much as I'm sure Pappy tried to stay in keeping with the original game... something has either been changed or oversimplied. There are inconsistencies and too many WIFOM type variables to count on anything.

Examples... CIA agents weren't after demons or possessed souls. The journalist didn't get investigation results back yet the very first nightfall. Why would one side get 2 hits while the other only 1? Why would 2 mafia be communicating when the town side can't? I can't find enough balance between the good and evil teams for Pappy to play the format this way.

Maybe there are being codewords used... but they don't carry messages behind them and only identify teammates for each other. I think that makes sense because the non-communicators would likely be communicating by now. Maybe the communicators are no longer permitted to chat with each other and are non-communicating now. How would we tell?

Even you, Lab Rat.. Look at your post. You've just decided the journalist must have received an investigation before writing a headline. Why? What makes you sure? We have no way to figure that out. And whichever option we pick locks us into applying that theory against somebody in this game... and to get them lynched based on THAT interpretation over some other interpretation which is equally valid or possible.

So are you saying that we can't really use anything we may or may not have learned from night 1 since we don't know the rules and the circumstances surrounding the release of information? If so, that sucks, but I see what you're saying. We can't be sure Rb is innocent.

I do think we can assume that HN was not the KBG agent, or not the ONLY KGB agent.

I could see the scum having more power the first night simply because if there were only 3 of them they are a very low percentage of the town. Abnormally low percentage. I could see jpap giving them more power night 1 for that reason. I would not be surprised if the scum get a turn or two this next nightfall.

 

[Kashta]

I can agree that the "fish" connection is weak. HN is dead, he was mafia. We know that the mafia and innocent power roles were assigned roles based on game 56. In game 56 the KGB could not communicate outside of the thread. They had to use code words. Maybe jpap did change the code words, maybe not.

I think the use of the word RAT in caps in worth lynching Lady G over.

JL, this is just one of many posts you've made about that game where most everything you point out is based only on the KGB role. I understand that was your role then so that caught most of your focus during the game. But what are you thoughts now about all the OTHER roles in play during Game 56? There was a heck of a lot going on in that game which had nothing to do with the KGB vs CIA portion of it.

 

[Kashta]

So D1 was Unknown Evil game, made sense.

Sorry folks, still don't have great internet here.

Mollies disappointed me, I expected them to do a last minute save, and I'm shocked Red UDed. But at least the town got HN. Didn't see that one.

In reference to my wink emote to HN, yeah HOOT was a joke, although it was at least partially right It did double as a good scumhunt though, seeing who would take something like that at more than face value.

But from what I've seen Wiz is still a good suspect. One for the way he responded to me naming him in the HOOT posts, and two because HN seemed to try and sacrafice himself for Wiz, but then revoted, I'd assume because he did see any way to wiggle them both out of it.

I vote to lynch Wizard.

That very first line of this post just drives me nuts.

Zsand... you were the Lead Demon in that game and your role and the team you built won that game. To accomplish that feat you FALSE role-claimed being an Archangel (of all things) which didn't exist, and had the dead-but-resurrected-yet-demonic town Mayor (Jpappy himself) corroborate all those lies as though they were true.

With your knowledge of all the format, roles, and powers/abilities....... is this seriously all you feel worthwhile to contribute about it now for everyone in this game?

Right or wrong.. other people who played that game (JL and Dawg for example) have at least tried to offer suggestions for us to consider. And all you've come up with was a simple statement to say it made sense to you?

 

[the wizard]

I said I thought I could put it at a tie. I posted that then went back to the last vote count and saw that I couldn't. I decided to switch my vote anyway, thinking maybe scum would make a jump. Turns out, I was seconds too late.

See how long it takes you to go back a page, find a vote count, see if any votes had changed, then type out a vote retraction and re-vote. I was trying to help the town. I wish I'd gotten home sooner to avoid this entire situation. I didn't. I knew posting that close to nightfall would get me in trouble but I wanted to do what I could to help the town.

What are you trying to hide Labby?

You were questioned by a couple of others about polling the town before posting, and now you state that you said that you thought you could put it to a tie?

How about the question I asked you.

Who were you asking? you said that you weren't polling the town when originally asked. So who were you asking?

 

[Lab_Rat]

What are you trying to hide Labby?

You were questioned by a couple of others about polling the town before posting, and now you state that you said that you thought you could put it to a tie?

How about the question I asked you.

Who were you asking? you said that you weren't polling the town when originally asked. So who were you asking?

I have absolutely nothing to hide. I already said I was thinking out loud. When I posted that I thought I might be able to make it a coin flip. I went back and looked at the latest vote count and any subsequent votes, realized I couldn't make it a tie, but switched my vote (too late) anyway. I wasn't asking anyone in particular. To me, you are all scum (even though I know there are likely only 2 scum left). Why are you so hung up on this? are you expecting me to give you a different answer? If so, you'll be sorely disappointed as I'm just telling you the truth and that's not going to change.

 

[Lady G]

And that opinion is based on what, exactly, Lady G?

You mention nothing about demonic souls (or a single demonic soul, if you prefer). Unless you are on the mafia team, you don't know. So what makes you think there was or wasn't a turn last night?

Well, this was right after nightfall I had know idea what was going on as I said. I'm still confused about that game set up. All I was saying was I thought there were 3 mafia in the game (the one we are playing not the original), the way Ogre had posted it looked like he was thinking or saying there were more then 3 for that nightfall.
Again, as for the I think we have the same....to me it looked as if Ogre was saying he thought there were several, I was just saying I didn't think Pap added more.
As far as the demonic stuff I didn't really know about them at the time. Yes posts had been made by you and John, but I was trying to take it all in at the time. There was alot there for someone who had never played or seen the game before to try and figure out.
I didn't and still don't know really what happened, the reason I said I THINK.

 

[Lady G]

I do see what Ogre is talking about. What I do not like is Ogre's first sentence - "Zsand is mafia." Not, "I think, Zsand is mafia." or "Zsand looks like mafia."

Orge, how sure are you about ZS being mafia?

I retract my vote on Lady G and vote to lynch ZSandmann

I do not think I will be online much tomorrow, so I doubt if this vote will change. I still think like the idea of LG being lynched and I am curious of what she will do know that she has voted for Ogre. I also like a LG/ZS run. I think both of them being lynched would be good.

What will I do now that I voted Ogre? Well it looks like I will vote Ogre.

You have no comment on the fact he posted quite a few posts about me, pretty much saying it had to be and Z, then posted that until that point he didn't suspect me much? Hmmm, interesting.

 

[Lady G]

We also had a journalist who submitted a headline with investigation results. And no, there were no aliens in Game 56. There is, however, a very popular public thread about Rbishop that's called "Bob the Alien." And there are plenty of alien jokes made all the time about Bob (Rbishop).

So what to think of the headline? I'm not sure. I believe it clears Rbishop as a real townie investigation result. But that's only possible if Pappy allowed the journalist to submit and investigation, receive results, and submit that headline before the first nightfall.

I was thinking about this part Kash. Is is possible Pap gave someone the journalist role for that "game set up" only? I mean obviously he gave it to someone, but wouldn't that role gone now? Who's to say Rb didn't get that role and post that knowing the role would be gone after nightfall and took advantage of the chance to put his name out that as an innocent? Did the Mod have to post what you wanted or did your post have to be true?