steelerfan's 30 Gallon Breeder Journal/Build

Good for you Steelerfan... I hope that is the cause. Congrats on the carpet as well and a happy wife... that alone is worth a million dollars
 
Good for you Steelerfan... I hope that is the cause. Congrats on the carpet as well and a happy wife... that alone is worth a million dollars

hi bud,

unfortunately the thermo wasn't the problem.

i am finally breaking down monday and accepting some rubble from an established tank of a friend.

not sure how that will help me but i just don't know where to go from here.
 
Wow.... that is just weird... I do hope the rubble helps. Have you looked on other boards to see if any one has had the same thing happen??

I'm sure Graham must have asked but are you a filter with carbon in it???
 
Just went back and read.. you are running a filter... gosh... if it were me, I would put all the live stock in the qt, and take out the sand and rock and rinse all in ro/di water, clean the tank then put it all back in with fresh saltwater and then use the Dr. Tim's stuff, add the rubble and put the livestock back in... but then again I am a big risk taker and not very patient... lol... that tank would be redone in a minute... lol...

Hope the rubble works...
 
Just went back and read.. you are running a filter... gosh... if it were me, I would put all the live stock in the qt, and take out the sand and rock and rinse all in ro/di water, clean the tank then put it all back in with fresh saltwater and then use the Dr. Tim's stuff, add the rubble and put the livestock back in... but then again I am a big risk taker and not very patient... lol... that tank would be redone in a minute... lol...

Hope the rubble works...

funny you should mention that bud,

i was thinking something along those lines lastnight.

put my cleaner shrimp and snails in my 10 gallon qt with the small bit of filter material in my ac110 which should be enough of a bioload for them and then recycle my tank with the dr tim stuff and ammonia.

again having almost 2 jumbo sized raw shrimp in there and only getting an ammonia spike of .5 just doesn't compute to me since i was getting .5 with just the rock.

am on the reef central board as well and noone i know has had this issue.

i am at a loss.
 
Depending how much alcohol leaked (if it did). It may take a couple of good WCs to dilute it.

Other than adding some different strains of bacteria I am at a loss. The only other thing it could be is a food source buried deep in the middle of one of the dry rocks you added. You have some decent size rocks. Very well could be a big crab shell or something you just can't see. Bottom line is there has to be a food source for these bacteria (if that is what it is) somewhere.
 
Depending how much alcohol leaked (if it did). It may take a couple of good WCs to dilute it.

Other than adding some different strains of bacteria I am at a loss. The only other thing it could be is a food source buried deep in the middle of one of the dry rocks you added. You have some decent size rocks. Very well could be a big crab shell or something you just can't see. Bottom line is there has to be a food source for these bacteria (if that is what it is) somewhere.

i don't understand it greech, and the bad thing is noone else really knows either.

even now there will be times i get home from work at midnight or so after the lights have been off for a few hours and i will top off and put the lights on to check temp and the tank is crystal clear like a couple of nights ago. then come morning it is cloudy.

lastnight got home at night and tank was not clear and is real foggy today.

should i just try throwing some of that dr tim stuff in there now as it must be a strain of bacteria, no?

not sure if getting a protein skimmer would help or not, not sure anything i do is gonna help at this point...
 
You know if it were me the rubble would go in before the Dr. Tim's. I just don't think it is the right answer but it's your tank.

The affect that lighting has on the clarity of the water screams diatoms to me still. Is there any settling at all?

What does the guy you are getting the rubble from think? Don't sweat it, if you have seen his tank or at least talked to him enough to know that he know's what he is doing, the rubble is going to be fine. If you really are worried about it put most/all of it in your HOB filter. How much rubble are you getting?

Yes the skimmer would help IMO but a good one.
 
You know if it were me the rubble would go in before the Dr. Tim's. I just don't think it is the right answer but it's your tank.

The affect that lighting has on the clarity of the water screams diatoms to me still. Is there any settling at all?

What does the guy you are getting the rubble from think? Don't sweat it, if you have seen his tank or at least talked to him enough to know that he know's what he is doing, the rubble is going to be fine. If you really are worried about it put most/all of it in your HOB filter. How much rubble are you getting?

Yes the skimmer would help IMO but a good one.


hi greech,

if it were diatoms wouldn't they be on the sand too?

guy giving me rubble said i was the slowest person he has ever seen and that most tanks by this time have at the very least a few fish and corals :)

he said i really have 0 bioload with the shrimp and snails and doesn't know if all the bacteria from the rock has slowly just died because nothing is sustaining it and that is causing an issue or not?

his tank has had ich but sat fallow for 10 weeks before adding a divers den fish not qt'd and he had treated with interceptor a year or so ago.

he has tons of pods and a lot of red mini brittle stars that i see coming out of the rock when he feeds them.

he says the rubble should get me some of those brittle stars and he said they borrow into holes in rock and if there is junk in there they should get it.

may get a couple pounds of it.

am looking at a eshopp 75 hangon but i guess will see what this rubble does if anything
 
That's why are asked if there was still any diatoms. Just odd its worse with the light on.

Your friend is correct. You do have a very low bioload but you have also been feeding. I suppose if every scrap is being consumed you may have some bacteria die off but if the bacteria was dying at that rate you would have no doubt seen a spike due to the death of the bacteria

So how much rubble are you using? There is no reason should have to have a skimmer at this point but it can't hurt to add one.
 
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