Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

Well let's see if we can learn anything from this. I vote to lynch Ice

He and Wiz are at the top of my list. It doesn't seem as though others are seeing what I see in Wiz so I'm going with Ice today. Some have spoken of their concerns for Ice before as have I. I have said before that I most likely won't be back before nightfall, so this will probably be where my vote stays. Hopefully we can learn more this nightfall.
 
As the town squabbles amongst themselves, no one notices as the writhing corpse of JM slips from it's bonds and begins wandering the shadows of the town.

Votes so far:

Ice (1): Dawg
 
This is interesting and I never even noticed. I think with all the participation D1 that this may have slipped by many of us.

So, correct me if I am wrong. We all know Noods tends to pop when squeezed. You are saying that Mad squeezed Noods into the switch to Razz and the den agreed it was better to sacrifice one of their own and gain the benefit of Noods being the kill vote than to lose one anyway and a townie being the kill vote.


I'm not saying it is so, I'm just throwing it out as a possibility. I still think its slim but after the way Noods has been acting I thought I'd put it out there and seeing what others think.

I could see her jumping off Razz, we all have doubts especially day 1 but I don't see why she jumped to Tank a player she wasn't questioning, then her statement about JM just before he died day 2.
 
The game appears mighty quiet. I think the scum are feeling pleased with the confusion caused by night fall. I need to run across town but will then start looking to see what I am missing.

Hopefully I will be able to find something to help clarify things in my own mind.
 
I could see myself voting Ice. As I stated I can never catch him by the posts but I am not real comfortable with him and it would be a gut feel post.

Everything I have figured so far, hinges on DD and CN being scum. They are my best suspects as it is their posts that I can see the most inconsistencies in. I have posted my thoughts on them all along and have pulled posts as well to show where I get my thoughts from so don't see the need to rehash what I have said before.

One thing to add is it does look like DD has switched her stand since I left last night which doesn't make me feel any better about her.

A run off between any two or all three of them could lend some valuable information. IMO.
what do you mean, I changed my stand? Do you mean because I actually had the opportunity to go through the thread and note on what I thought was weird?
 
Day 1 Noods votes Razz puts Razz ahead by 1 vote.



Sometime mid day Noods retracts off Razz, not sure of the timing but next vote count know shows Cnote ahead by 1, I'll have to look back and see if she caused the the tie to be broken between Razz and Cnote.









She doesn't want to vote Razz, JM or Doom because it will cause a tie, but there were still votes out there, how would she know if it stayed tied and besides she could move last minute if need be as she did anyway.
Instead she votes Tank who I don't really remember her going after much if at all.













She lets Mad "TALK" her into moving back to Razz with just a few minutes left.

I could see where JM thought it was fishy now that I've really looked at how it played out. What we have to consider is why she didn't want to vote Doom or Cnote,who she voted yesterday, on Day 1. We now know why she didn't want to vote JM, also need to consider if the talk in the den was who would be willing to be sacrificed.
If there are(were) 5 mafia I could see sacrificing 1 on Day 1 especially if 3 of them were on the block- Cnote Razz Doom. All were withing a vote or 2 of being taken out.
Doom moving to Razz from JM helps me to think this is plausible especially when he could have stayed and Noods could have just voted JM and taken out an innocent.

I know your asking why sacrifice when you had an innocent pretty much taken down.

1. Well it makes 2 of the mafia automatically look good,doesn't it?
2. Innocents get the free hit. Noods being the death blow might garner an OMGUS hit from JM.

I really like this post. I think the conclusion is far fetched, but it may have some nuggets in it. When we take a razor to the theory and cut out all the fat, I think it comes down to this.

Noods caught Razzs slip. When a teammate catches someone else there are two options 1. Hope nobody else catches it. or 2. Call them out.

1. This is a big game, almost 20 players, with many vets. Hoping that none of these players sees what Noods saw is a risky play. It's possible to lose your teammate on day 1 with no gain.

2. By calling them out, you assume the same risk in potentially losing a teammate, but you gain the potential to be cleared as a townie in many peoples eyes.

If Noods calls razz out on the slip, then she is obligated to vote him. She'd look very scummy if she didn't. When the town starts to take hold of the idea she drums up a story that something "piqued" her interest but she doesn't have time to explain or prove it. She then retracts her vote. For some reason that I don't think is ever really explained, she posts her vote on Tank and leaves it there until near nightfall.

30 mins before nightfall Noods is actively posting. At 20 mins untill night I switch my vote form JM to Razz, this takes JM off the block and puts Razz there instead. Noods posts again. With 9 mins left Mad calls noods out and shows that she can break the tie, and save the town from a no lynch all by switching her vote to one of her "suspects."

With 2 mins left she finally switches her vote and we kill scum on night 1, Noods is a Hero!

What bugs me, is why wait until so close to nightfall. She could have switched as soon as I made my switch. If she wasn't thinking about it, no big deal. But she went back and forth with Mad over it.

Maybe she was hoping someone else might come in and break the tie and lynch Cnote instead?
 
I went back and looked, Noods retraction was shortly after the vote count and no other votes had been cast or retracted, so she took Razz out of the lead and tied him with JM.
good point, but Ice... the tieing is troublesome..... but on your next thought though, why would mafia put one of their own out so early in the game in order to make one of their own appear innocent... to me, it doesn't make much sense...

Well let's see if we can learn anything from this. I vote to lynch Ice

He and Wiz are at the top of my list. It doesn't seem as though others are seeing what I see in Wiz so I'm going with Ice today. Some have spoken of their concerns for Ice before as have I. I have said before that I most likely won't be back before nightfall, so this will probably be where my vote stays. Hopefully we can learn more this nightfall.
Dawg, I might have skimmed some but I did see you mentioning suspect things about a few people, I see very little in reference to Ice (and Wiz) .... yet you feel compelled to vote for Ice.... what was the strangeness that compelled you to vote Ice over anyone else?
 
good point, but Ice... the tieing is troublesome..... but on your next thought though, why would mafia put one of their own out so early in the game in order to make one of their own appear innocent... to me, it doesn't make much sense...


Dawg, I might have skimmed some but I did see you mentioning suspect things about a few people, I see very little in reference to Ice (and Wiz) .... yet you feel compelled to vote for Ice.... what was the strangeness that compelled you to vote Ice over anyone else?

Why? Oh, that's why. You've playing on these boards before right?
 
I have tried to search this thread the way DD explained it and when I do it brings up a page that looks like I hit new posts right after logging in. Maybe I am missing something, maybe I am just not as smart as I thought I was who knows.

You don't have a script blocker or anything running do you?
 
I think that Noods is an innocent and that Ice and Doom are going out of their way to try and force us to think other wise. That fact that we were wrong last night does not change the feeling I had about Noodles. She changes votes often so the one switch during the day does not bother me much.

I think the hit on 2H was to just get us off track or more confused than we are.
 
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