Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[the wizard]

Ice
Dawg
[AC] Doomsday998
Noods
Kash
Jpappy
Wiz
Lab_Rat

Looking at this list, I am pretty lost. I wanted to color code them, but I am not even sure how I would do that. Could the day 1 exchange between Ice and Doom have been distancing? Doom was much more active day 1 and now has kinda disappeared. I can't put my finger on exactly why Dawg is striking me as scummy, except him declaring we should assume all the UDs were innocent. Had Tank been innocent and not scum, I'd be more interested in his declaration (since he would have known for sure they were all innocent) but since that was not the case, I can also see why he would make that assumption based on only townies being zombies once lynched (and applying that to a UD).

Early in the game, I found myself agreeing with Noods. Right before nightfall and shortly thereafter she's started to rub me in a scummy way. DD's focus on her, knowing Noods wasn't in any danger, also makes me wonder.

Kash I can't decide on. Wiz and Pappy I'm leaning townie.

I know that it was Dawg's idea to put Ice on the block but he isn't here now and I would like some input from others. What is your take on Ice's behavior today?

Do you think he was trying to spread the votes out so they could be manipulated with out the scum being obvious?

 

[Lab_Rat]

I'm not sure, he's been on my suspect list since day 1. I want to go back and re-read today's events. The part where you pointed out how he was almost gloating, like things were really going his way, really bothers me. His vote on DD doesn't mean much to me as Ice will readily throw his teammates under the bus.

Also, I need to go back and look at who DD has or has not associated with.

 

[Lab_Rat]

I don't think this is plausable. Not at all.... not worthy enough to vote for him anyway. Maybe something to keep an eye on him for but not to come out of the gate after the night swinging for him without so much as a reason why.


So all of this you are finding on Dawg and you would like to keep this in your mind rather than voting... this is inconsistent with your reasoning for voting Ice. You think Ice's vote was stronger than a vote for Dawg would have been? Doesn't make too much sense to me but far beit from being in a different opinion of the voting reasons....


I have not been harping on the idea that noods could be scum, I just said that could she have put up her own team mate to save herself, sure. It's been done but along with others, I think it's not likely. By all means she could be but I think there are more people with much more scumtells than her. I am not swapping my story, I am just not so quick to call her innocent. I've said this countless times before I believe.

Here we have DD defending both Ice and Dawg against Doom. She's also commenting on Noods, but now is changing her story a bit.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Actually, re-reading that, she is defending Ice, not Dawg.

 

[Kashta]

Ice
Dawg
[AC] Doomsday998
Noods
Kash
Jpappy
Wiz
Lab_Rat

Looking at this list, I am pretty lost. I wanted to color code them, but I am not even sure how I would do that. Could the day 1 exchange between Ice and Doom have been distancing? Doom was much more active day 1 and now has kinda disappeared. I can't put my finger on exactly why Dawg is striking me as scummy, except him declaring we should assume all the UDs were innocent. Had Tank been innocent and not scum, I'd be more interested in his declaration (since he would have known for sure they were all innocent) but since that was not the case, I can also see why he would make that assumption based on only townies being zombies once lynched (and applying that to a UD).

Early in the game, I found myself agreeing with Noods. Right before nightfall and shortly thereafter she's started to rub me in a scummy way. DD's focus on her, knowing Noods wasn't in any danger, also makes me wonder.

Kash I can't decide on. Wiz and Pappy I'm leaning townie.

Agree with you about Wizard and Pappy. Sorry I can't help you decide better about me. Wish I could but there's not much I can say about my own game that hasn't already been said. You'll have to figure that out on your own.

Here are my thoughts about Doom, though...

It was Doom's commentary and vote against Ice Day 2 that brought my attention to the interaction between Ice and Mad. I wasn't here as that took place and kinda glossed over it first time I read through it all at once, attributing most of that to Ice and Mad having a long history sparring with each other in this game. At the time, I thought they were both innocents going back and forth.

Both Mad and Ice read each other better than the rest of us can read either of them. They also poke at each other and get it wrong sometimes. Mad's post about crap logic caught my eye.... I thought he was right. Ice was acting suspicious.

But it was Doom's emphasis on their exchange (pointing out how unreasonable and wishy-washy Ice was being) that convinced me Ice wasn't just wrong. He was being actively scummy in Mad's regard.

Doom is also the one who first suggested Ice was trying to protect Razz by naming him as his distant 3rd suspect.

To me, that doesn't look like Doom was distancing himself from Ice. I believe he was genuine with his accusation and with his vote against Ice.

Doom had his vote on Razz too, Day 1. Looking at Tank now that he was revealed as mafia, he was scum voting against Doom Day 1... another detail which suggests Doom's innocence.

I can't be sure either, but putting all these factors together makes me think Doom is (1) a very sharp and observant player and (2) I'm leaning him innocent.

 

[Kashta]

Glad we got a mafia and glad to see one UD finally.

Great work Dr

No idea why JM hit Rich, My guess would be since he is hard to read it was worth a shot but I haven't seen anything from Rich to warrant it.

Still see it as a slip so...

I vote to lynch Kash

I think they realized they weren't getting me lynched and Kash is more important to the team and DD had dug herself a deep hole.

In order to believe this, seriously, you would have to think I'd make sure DD died on purpose tonight... I also ruined any chance a single well-intended townie would make a switch, saving DD by mistake and appearing scummy themself. Sure, the benefit of ensuring DD's death might make me look good for a while but even that is debatable, at best.

Now, think that strategy through all the way, Ice. Maybe at first glance, your theory seems plausible. It's true I wouldn't hesitate to kill off a scummate if the situation called for it. But with Tank's UD, I find it extremely doubtful that ANYONE would deliberately kill off a scummate the same nightfall when the entire scum team already knew one of their own would also UD that night.

You think any scum team willingly accept TWO mafia deaths at the same time by choice? I may be gutzy when I'm evil, Ice, but I don't believe even YOU would sacrifice a teammate when you already knew you would also lose Tank that night.

The other fact to consider is when I changed my vote to DD, I left myself totally vulnerable to JM's hit. Everyone knows that, based on his game posts against me before he died. None of us could have predicted he would target Rich, of all people, instead of me.

So, you honestly believe I would deliberately kill DD as my teammate, knowing Tank had disappeared from the game (and I assume the scum den too) and was surely going to UD on the scum team, just to make the town think I'm trustworthy? But still at the same time, leave myself fully exposed to JM's hit by doing it? That isn't strategy, Ice, it's stupidity.

By changing my vote to DD, I gave the mafia a full 15 minutes to switch votes to save DD if they didn't mind risking 2 more teammates to accomplish that. What I did was to force them to stay put with their votes and give her up.

I also gave them and JM plenty of time to PM a change for their hit TO ME in time before JB called night, as it then looked like I might not get lynched. There was no reason for me to assume I would be protected tonight, I was too close to getting lynched myself for the stupid, so-called "slip" post I'd made earlier. That gave anyone else who might be a PR better reason to vote me themself than even consider protecting me tonight.

 

[Kashta]

I also ruined any chance a single well-intended townie would make a switch, saving DD by mistake and appearing scummy themself.

Correction: Not just "saving" DD but also creating a tied vote, which would prevent anyone from being lynched tonight.

 

[jpappy789]

Holy crap! Not only did we get two mafia (finally gotcha DD but that was one hectic pre-nightfall...I need to go back and read again but I wanted to ask this since I tagged it before my mind almost exploded...

Wait, Pappy. Did you say not twice by mistake, meaning you're not comfortable? Or did you use the double negative to say you're not uncomfortable... that you are comfortable?

That was intentional. I was totally comfortable with either Ice or DD going last night although I am glad that DD was the one who got the noose. Sorry for the confusion.


Okay, now time to try to make sense of what happened before nightfall. Hopefully I can stay awake...

 

[jpappy789]

LOL oh jeez it might already be too late...answer not ask as I said...

 

[jpappy789]

I thought the votes by Ice and DD yesterday seemed almost forced. When Kash questioned Ice about his vote on Cnote and asked for his thoughts on DD, he switched immediately.

good point, but Ice... the tieing is troublesome..... but on your next thought though, why would mafia put one of their own out so early in the game in order to make one of their own appear innocent... to me, it doesn't make much sense...


Dawg, I might have skimmed some but I did see you mentioning suspect things about a few people, I see very little in reference to Ice (and Wiz) .... yet you feel compelled to vote for Ice.... what was the strangeness that compelled you to vote Ice over anyone else?

Above DD seems almost congenial to Ice when discussing Noods and in the second thought she confronts Dawg on his vote on Ice. I found this strange since more than one time Dawg mentioned Ice, Wiz, and Kash as his top three.

not really sure how I wound up being so suspect but I am willing to vote Ice.... I vote to lynch Ice

DD voted Ice pretty much on a whim. She never really said anything suspect about him. Kinda strange that both their votes ended up on each other and to me it looked planned.