Forewarning...it's late so I apologize if none of this is clear LOL
to the bold: the problem I have with that Ice is that you are a good player. For you to not have something vote worthy at that point of the game is hard for me to believe which is why your "placeholder" vote seemed off from the beginning. I understand that rl issues pop up where you cannot find time to vote but why should you be worried about hurting anyone with a poorly placed vote unless you are saying that you haven't really done any digging. That was a rather passive move for someone who played pretty aggressively D1.
to the red: didn't DD try to push that point as well? how did she turn up again?
This was rather cocky and I do believe Ice thought others would move to Kash because of what she said.
Taking note of this...it is a rather round about way to explain the "slip" and while I do understand what you MEANT to say Kash (to some extent, I cannot say I have ever 100% understood your reasoning) but it is hard to overlook what you DID say.
Meh, a statement like this makes me second guess you Kash. You're a competitive person and I don't believe that anyone as a zombie would pass up an opportunity to win the game just out of principle. But more importantly it makes me second guess you because again this brings up WIFOM scenarios about zombie hits and why would anyone want to bring a topic like that back up again? Hasn't it already been made clear that topics like that only serve to distract the town?
Interesting move Ice...it begs the question as to whether you actually suspected DD in the first place. Tell us Ice, what about DD specifically garnered your first vote or even this vote for that matter?
You seemed very confident that Kash slipped, yet moved to pretty much take her out of the running and tie up the lynch for the time being.
I got that feeling too when I first read through everything and still do.
I hate these kinds of questions but you do bring up a good point. Kash slipping at all is a rarity.
DD spent the majority of this post digging at lab for digging into her posts. I am leaning Lab more towards innocent at this point.
Agreed, I do not see why Kash and Wiz would be so coordinated as scum-mates and then end up both lynching DD too. As hard as they were working to clear each other you think they would have been able to steer the lynch in another direction if need be...
I've been leaning DDay more towards innocent as well. I do not see why he/she would have flipped the voting to Razz/Cnote when we now know two innocents (Cnote, Jm) could have very easily been lynched instead without much hesitation. That also move Noods a bit closer to innocent as well although there still is the possibility she got caught by Mad after DDay switched. I just don't see DDay, especially, as scum, first of all tieing up the lynch which would have been a death warrant had it stayed and then moving the voting from a tie between two innocents to a tie between an innocent and scum.
I'm fine with being voted on. I'm not fine with the crazy reasoning.
Cnote was the leading vote getter till he looked like a UD yesterday. I put a placeholder vote on him because if he showed I don't see how he could be anything but scum, if he didn't show and for some reason I wasn't able to switch I wasn't hurting anyone by placing a vote on someone I hadn't looked into. DD is high on a lot of lists so when I was asked if I'd vote there I saw no reason not to. Call it rolling over if you want I just see it as another placeholder unless I could find something more substantial. Until then I feel the need to follow the thoughts of the town I trust. At the time only Jpap and Wiz had voted and I trust Jpap more then not.
I also think its BS that putting out an idea of why Noods might have sold out their team mate is cause for a vote, Doom did also and is getting no flack.
I still haven't had the chance to look thru at certain players. I would like to look at Tank,Kash,Wiz, and Labby a bit more as they been under the radar. Rich and Jpap I haven't felt any type of vibe from. I like that Doom is at least looking at possibilities and not being close minded. Dawg has said a few things towards Doom that made me think he had him as a suspect I need to reread that.
I just haven't really had the time or motivation. I like to spend my time looking at players and basing off each other but I'm finding I need to focus on one at a time with the limits on me and it doesn't always pan out the way i thought even when others see it.
I thought JM was scum for pushing the Noods sacrifice angle. He was innocent. So I thought maybe there was something to it and posted. Now I'm lynchable for the same crime as JM.
Maybe I'll find a good Zombie Hit in my search if nothing else.
to the bold: the problem I have with that Ice is that you are a good player. For you to not have something vote worthy at that point of the game is hard for me to believe which is why your "placeholder" vote seemed off from the beginning. I understand that rl issues pop up where you cannot find time to vote but why should you be worried about hurting anyone with a poorly placed vote unless you are saying that you haven't really done any digging. That was a rather passive move for someone who played pretty aggressively D1.
to the red: didn't DD try to push that point as well? how did she turn up again?
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Did you slip Kash? Only innocents get Zombie Hits.
You want me to be more like me.I'm so sure of this I'm putting myself in the lead.
I retract my vote on DD and vote to lynch Kash.
This was rather cocky and I do believe Ice thought others would move to Kash because of what she said.
Thanks for at least asking what I meant instead of just blasting me, Lab.
I don't for a moment think Ice is innocent. I've made that clear enough. But yes, I might be wrong about him, DD, whomever else..... nothing is a sure thing here, we all know that with little evidence to go on.
What I meant was it didn't surprise me that Ice would say something about the zombie shot, implying his innocence.
I phrased it way I did because I've been thinking about asking DD and Ice to tell us who they intend to shoot if we're wrong about either of them. Both were split for the vote thus far.
I didn't ask them that question, though, because I'm not sure it would help us learn anything useful. It might also divert the town into discussing possible zombie targets and I'd rather we not help them by doing their thinking for them.
I agree it looks like I slipped, so I don't mind taking the lynch over it. You all decide for yourselves.
Taking note of this...it is a rather round about way to explain the "slip" and while I do understand what you MEANT to say Kash (to some extent, I cannot say I have ever 100% understood your reasoning) but it is hard to overlook what you DID say.
Scroll up, Noods. I posted that reason at the same time I made the statement.
And thanks for the vote... lmao.
Sorry I mucked this up now for the town with tonight's lynch. Never type one thing while thinking about something else!
I'll post whatever I can to share my thoughts on everyone before I go... hope I can at least leave behind something helpful for the rest to go on for tomorrow.
As a zombie, I don't know who I'll aim at. There's no joy in a zombie win, IMO... so I'll base my shot on who I think it helps the town most to know someone's alliance.
Meh, a statement like this makes me second guess you Kash. You're a competitive person and I don't believe that anyone as a zombie would pass up an opportunity to win the game just out of principle. But more importantly it makes me second guess you because again this brings up WIFOM scenarios about zombie hits and why would anyone want to bring a topic like that back up again? Hasn't it already been made clear that topics like that only serve to distract the town?
I was thinking about this also. I think JM would use his hit on Kash or DD. He had a post just before dying where he said he thought DD was scum. So in the interest of not making his choice harder because of a close vote count
I retract my vote on kash and vote to lynch DD
if JM doesn't hit Kash then we can lynch her tomorrow
Interesting move Ice...it begs the question as to whether you actually suspected DD in the first place. Tell us Ice, what about DD specifically garnered your first vote or even this vote for that matter?
You seemed very confident that Kash slipped, yet moved to pretty much take her out of the running and tie up the lynch for the time being.
I, too, sense teamwork between Wiz and Kash. Now whether Wiz is just being protective of Kash due to their rl relationship and that protectiveness has nothing to do with the game, or if it is because they are both fooling me and they are both scum, I do not know. It is bothering me a bit though...
I got that feeling too when I first read through everything and still do.
We have enough time yet to screw up the scum team. Those of you on Kashta. Ask yourself this. When was the last time Kashta made a slip like that when she was scum?
I can never catch her when she is scum because she looks more innocent than most innocents.
I hate these kinds of questions but you do bring up a good point. Kash slipping at all is a rarity.
ok, I am just getting home so want to break my thoughts in pieces since there's so much to think about...
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I have to agree, Noods.... some folks are skating by without heat and everyone is focusing on one or two players... not good teamwork for us townies....
Labby, you are completely digging and making stuff up. You're focusing on my posts looking for things to say. You are working hard but perhaps too hard. Working so hard is making you see phantom issues.... there is one flaw in your posts though, abby.... with working so hard, you are skipping things. I thought I had explained why I thought that but looking back, it looks like I didn't. I thought that with Kash saying that she got online late (midnight) she pulled a ton of posts to read through them, I just assumed she had printed it out..just so she could absorb them. Maybe I read too deep into that statement.
Rich said he was trying to avoid a tie. I suspected JM at the time and Rich was saying that if he had voted JM, he would have tied the vote. I tied it so he didnt have to worry about that.
DD spent the majority of this post digging at lab for digging into her posts. I am leaning Lab more towards innocent at this point.
I do think it is very strange what is going on between Kash and Wiz. Could very well be scum but I keep wondering why scum (especially of the caliber of these two players) would be so blatantly obvious about their statements on each other. **** I'm confused right now.
Agreed, I do not see why Kash and Wiz would be so coordinated as scum-mates and then end up both lynching DD too. As hard as they were working to clear each other you think they would have been able to steer the lynch in another direction if need be...
Agree with you about Wizard and Pappy. Sorry I can't help you decide better about me. Wish I could but there's not much I can say about my own game that hasn't already been said. You'll have to figure that out on your own.
Here are my thoughts about Doom, though...
It was Doom's commentary and vote against Ice Day 2 that brought my attention to the interaction between Ice and Mad. I wasn't here as that took place and kinda glossed over it first time I read through it all at once, attributing most of that to Ice and Mad having a long history sparring with each other in this game. At the time, I thought they were both innocents going back and forth.
Both Mad and Ice read each other better than the rest of us can read either of them. They also poke at each other and get it wrong sometimes. Mad's post about crap logic caught my eye.... I thought he was right. Ice was acting suspicious.
But it was Doom's emphasis on their exchange (pointing out how unreasonable and wishy-washy Ice was being) that convinced me Ice wasn't just wrong. He was being actively scummy in Mad's regard.
Doom is also the one who first suggested Ice was trying to protect Razz by naming him as his distant 3rd suspect.
To me, that doesn't look like Doom was distancing himself from Ice. I believe he was genuine with his accusation and with his vote against Ice.
Doom had his vote on Razz too, Day 1. Looking at Tank now that he was revealed as mafia, he was scum voting against Doom Day 1... another detail which suggests Doom's innocence.
I can't be sure either, but putting all these factors together makes me think Doom is (1) a very sharp and observant player and (2) I'm leaning him innocent.
I've been leaning DDay more towards innocent as well. I do not see why he/she would have flipped the voting to Razz/Cnote when we now know two innocents (Cnote, Jm) could have very easily been lynched instead without much hesitation. That also move Noods a bit closer to innocent as well although there still is the possibility she got caught by Mad after DDay switched. I just don't see DDay, especially, as scum, first of all tieing up the lynch which would have been a death warrant had it stayed and then moving the voting from a tie between two innocents to a tie between an innocent and scum.