Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[noodles62]

I thought I would pull some of Tank's posts to see what I could find - There are a few posts from others thrown in just for continuity of the conversation:

well that was alott to catch up on. sorry to see you go ff... now we are one step back from the word go. i just read most of the thread and im just going to sayit rather than pull every post. D-Day i dont like how you are trying to start trains on people.. first you tryto start a case on jm but wehn that dosent work you switch over to ff that started to work and you forced him out of the game. all seems scummy to me therefore my vote is on you

I VOTE TO LYNCH D-DAY

admittidely it is a bit of a strech but looking past the ice mad issue i dont think this issue is getting looked in to enough

So admittedly, Tank is trying to divert attention away from the Ice/Mad issue -To get us to "look past it".

Where is this train you speak of that Doom is starting? I don't remember seeing any trains started. If you're talking about all those on FF, I was the first on him so blame me.

Oh, and FF, totally anti-town move quitting like that. Lame.

I retract my vote on FF. Not sure where it will go next, Razz is giving me a scummy feel, but I'm also quite weary of Mad and Ice. Need to think on it while I unpack more.

i said he attempted to start a train he made something out of absolutley nothing aand tried to twist the explanation to fit his theory.

I didnt see this labbby i only saw where d day tried to start something. but i verry well could have missed it.

if i wanted to burry a vote i would put it on lg who hasent shown up yet and is likley to ud.

i said he attempted to start a train on jm and a single vote that was based on some convalueded idea that was concocked out of nothing.

just because there was no vote swich dosent mean that he wasent trying something on ff not saying any one player forced him out just saying that i dont think it was verry pro town.

bottom line d day popes in for a few min here and there and when he does he contibuets nothing tangible to anything. forming a case out of nothing.

@ C-note you want a burryed vote? check where your buddies is in the scum den ^^:lipssealedsmilie:

I am not understanding why you are saying "train". A train is when there are a ton of people jumping on a person. And voting on someone who hasn't shown up and may UD is certainly not burying a vote. Tank, how many games have you played? I don't remember playing with you so if you're a noob it may explain why you're using some of the terminology wrong.

Lol yeah, my brain is fried. Trying to check in while unpacking and leak checking tanks.

im thinking like 4 or 5?

So you know where a buried vote would go, and by knowing that you would also know that putting it there would draw attention, so you bury it else where beside the obvious.

I'm really not liking this vote I vote to lynch TankHobbyist

There is a big difference between saying there is a train and saying someone is trying to start a train. I think everyone that makes a case is trying to start a train as you'd want as many votes as possible on that person. But some of the rest of that post by Tank does give me something to think about. I don't think anyone is building cases to try and make someone quit.

But to base your vote on him picking a middle low poster as a hideaway vote is really strange to me too unless maybe you think its a distancing vote. I could see that, maybe not something I'd vote on Day 1 but something I would look back on later in the game.

here Ice is more or less agreeing with the what Tank is thinking; perhaps trying to convince others to think the same way?

That type of vote placing would likely require coaching. I believe Tank said him/herself that they have only played 4-5 games. Not only that but a vote that contrived would need a much more convincing reason than what Tank gave us. To say that Tank actually picked DDay out of everyone else seems far fetched. Possible, but looking at the reasoning Tank used for the vote it seems much more like a misunderstanding of terminology like Lab suggested. That is not to say it is not a scummy misunderstanding however.

Bingo! I think Jpap hit the nail right on the head here - Tank's post was coached and why? To take the heat off the Ice/Mad issue......

It took me alot longer to go through this game then I thought it would! My lunch time is over- more as I get the chance.......

 

[noodles62]

sorry that post is so long! :lipssealedsmilie:

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

I'm perfectly happy with sending Ice to the gallows. I think he was protecting Razz on night 1. I think last night he was scrambling for a reason not to vote DD, and for anything that could sway the town towards anyone else.

I vote to lynch Ice.

 

[Lab_Rat]

I also vote to lynch Ice. I thought about doing it before I went to bed last night, but I figured I'd see if there was anything to persuade me otherwise in the morning. There wasn't.

 

[jpappy789]

Hate to see a train but I do think that Ice is scum so I can look past that...

Ice, other than Kash who do you think is scum, as in, who would you pick as the last mafia if you were to assume that we started against five?

 

[Lab_Rat]

Yeah, it's a train, but if Ice is scum it makes sense the last scum member would be forced to vote him so they could blend in. I do find it interesting that Noods went back to make more of an argument against Ice when he already had 5 votes against him. Gives me the feeling she's trying too hard to look like she's helping lynch scum.

 

[jpappy789]

Well, based on how the events of last night went down, I agree that Wiz is working in the best interest of the town. I am sorry I doubted you Wiz, but I was a bit leary of trusting anyone. Based on how things went down I agree that Ice is the next best bet on getting scum. I vote to lynch Ice.

Will be back at lunch time............

Noods, you voted Kash last night and now are voting with her who is still Ice's main "suspect". What made you change your mind about Kash or do you still suspect her?

 

[noodles62]

Yeah, it's a train, but if Ice is scum it makes sense the last scum member would be forced to vote him so they could blend in. I do find it interesting that Noods went back to make more of an argument against Ice when he already had 5 votes against him. Gives me the feeling she's trying too hard to look like she's helping lynch scum.

I went back to look at the exchange between Ice and Tank ( a now known scum) as well as reread the entire thread.

Noods, you voted Kash last night and now are voting with her who is still Ice's main "suspect". What made you change your mind about Kash or do you still suspect her?

I am on the fence about Kash after last night. After reviewing the thread over this morning, I can see what others are saying about Ice. If we are/were looking at 5 scum, I am not sure what to think about who could be the last one (after Ice).........

I don't really like a total train either but Ice is the obvious choice and I am very glad that everyone has voted - there will be no UD's tonite. (JB is having way too much fun!)

 

[Lab_Rat]

That wasn't much of an exchange Noods. What about it caught your attention and caused you to go back and look at it in more depth?

 

[jpappy789]

Just went back to D1 and picked up a few more things that struck me as curious about Ice...

This has to be the most overused term in mafia. Tell me Mad, who isn't innocent or mafia at this point? Only mafia know who is who. Are you sure your vote on Razz is on mafia or could they be innocent? Speaking of your vote,if I'm not mistaken its for being overly helpful. Isn't that what your zombie post was about,helping?

For being hypocritical and stating the obvious in a mode of attack.



I vote to lynch Mad

Here Ice goes after Mad and questions his vote on Razz pretty heavily. This was before Razz's "slip".

There is a lot busier a 1st day then I remember in past games. No one person has me feeling any better about them then another. Its a lot of digging though so I do like this and should help in the following days.

A lot of reaching but its Day 1, I can see where Noods is going and it wouldn't be the 1st time mafia slipped on day 1 but I can also see how it could be just badly worded.

There really is to much going on to just sit and post about it all. If you have a certain question about a certain player and what I'm thinking I'll read those interactions and answer.

Right now Mad and Doom are my top 2. Razz a distant 3rd because it could be a slip but Mad is voting him(?) and I don't think as close as the voting is that it would be distancing.

Here is the post where Ice said Razz is a distant third. In the bold Ice is pretty wishy washy about what to make about Razz's "slip".

You're funny... If it weren't for you and Mad trying to make something out of nothing and dragging it till it bleeds my vote would probably be on Razz as its something I'd take a Day 1 vote chance on. I won't vote with a suspect, same way I wouldn't vote JM if I thought the case against him was good because you are on him.

A very convenient excuse for not voting Razz, no?

Lost power just before night fall, glad to see Noods moved for the kill vote on a mafia. I can see where it looks like I might have defended Razz but its not the case. My 2 main suspects were voting there, if I had built cases against 2 players then voted with them and Razz turned innocent then what would everyone think? 12 other people didn't vote Razz so they also didn't think guilty.

Sucks we lost Mad to a hit and LG to a UD. UN I've come to expect to UD.

I doubt Noods moved last second to kill a team mate but I guess there is the possibility and only because she was on Razz then moved back off before jumping back on.
Doom has to be innocent
Dawg could have gotten trapped on Razz but I'm leaning heavily innocent.

No time this morning but will catch up tonight.

Ice, what do you mean by 12 people didn't think Razz was guilty? That is a very simple minded approach to assume that just because one does not vote for someone that they do not think they are scummy. Didn't you also say that Razz was a suspect of yours and that you would have voted there had it not been for Mad and Doom? But now you include yourself with those who didn't think he was guilty...odd...

I feel like I'm piggy backing because I haven't had time to reread day 1 with the knowledge we now have so I'm basing my vote off what others are saying.
I'm going to place a vote now and try to reread day 1 but the way things have been going the littlest comment starts a huge fight and forget trying to comprehend anything. I was leaning on voting Cnote but with them being AWOL my next best bets would be DD or JM. I don't really see why they are pushing the Nood sacrifice angle.

I think we can get more info out of DD so ...

I vote lynch JM

I missed this until now and I find it funny that Ice thought we would be able to get more info out of DD. She admitted to skimming and was misinterpreting posts left and right...and look how she turned up...