Yeah sorta been mostly with the African counterparts for the last 10 yrs and truly by the end of this month I will only have one Tanganyika fish left due to raising him from an egg that I just cannot part with he is special to me sorta like my 16 yr old Synodontis they are lifers LOL.. But yeah I figure that the SA's and the CA's were different in the aspect of finnage and such..