150 Gallon Build Thread ... From the Start

Question: Using the same krylon fussion paint that I will be using for the back?

Question: How far would you suggest I go with the paint - all Eheim parts that will be in the tank get turned black?

Question: How long should I let them dry?

1- get the krylon that way you can paint the tubes and back and not have to buy anything else

2- yee i guess what ever hits the water paint it black.. if you want you can leave out the hose, but spraybar/intake for sure
3- paint dries fast so few hours.. then apply another coat and you are done (for the back its a few coats)

You think this black background may be better than painting?
I got the black background you get at lfs.. Its okay but a spray on is more solid looking and does not give off a bad reflection.

Question: How about going with a very dark green instead of black for the paint? I have read that it gives a "goes on forever" look in a planted tank. Or, would it be better to stick with black since I will be adding black gravel (would black and dark green clash?)?

Here's the paint to use ...
go for black lol Not only cuz of black gravel but the darker black will add more contrast between plants/fishs/background

Question: Should we get clear seams or black?? The black might be kind of cool - framing the tank if you will. Just can't find a pic ...

Thats exactly what it does.. looks good, though if yout take side shots of the tank, it will be a bit "different"
 
cfsinc,

I just read this entire thread (all 37 pages!) and I though I’d add my two cents since I am just finishing with a setup very similar to your goal. I shopped for months and have just started fishless cycling for my 150 gallon aquarium. You may or may not benefit from the choices I ended up going with.

Tank: After endless research, I chose to go with a tank from Glasscages.com. I struggled with the 135 gallon (72” x 18” x 25”) and the 180 gallon-Tall (72” x 18” x 31”). Ultimately, I ended up having them do a custom of 72” x 18” x 28”. They charged me the same as the 180G due to the thicker glass needed above 135G, but I got exactly what I wanted – a taller, more encompassing view that is slightly more manageable to maintain (meaning reach). The biggest challenge with Glasscages is waiting on their delivery schedule where they will meet you near to one of their planned stops. This saves a lot of $$ in shipping, but is not as convenient as just picking up a tank from the LFS.

For the stand and canopy, I purchased these from Glasscages as well. These are unfinished oak and oak veneer (with solid, high quality plywood). I think the quality of the stand and canopy is superior to the nicely finished products I see at stores, and I can easily attain the same color and finish with a little effort. Just my preference, however, and I understand anybody’s desire to go with a prefab product that needs no work.

Stand: 30” stand height to allow room for filters, etc. This further aggravates access to the tank, but also accentuates the look of the taller tank by putting it closer to window height. If I’d gone with the 24” standard height, I’m not sure my filters would have fit.

Canopy: Look carefully at the canopy to see how you will be mounting any lights. Some canopies have internal framing that may get in the way of some light combinations. The canopy I got from Glasscages has a center brace, but it has a cutout in the center to allow for light fixtures to pass through.

Lights: Like you, I did a lot of searching. I finally settled upon a kit from AH Supply. I went with the 2 x 96 watt kit, which was a relative bargain at $115 (plus bulbs). The two reflectors sit end to end within my canopy. The assembly was simple and the result seems like more than enough light to me, but I don’t plan on live plants. You could double up on this configuration and mount them on a 1” x 6” plank of wood (see below). I also added LED moon lights by mounting six LED fixtures in daisy chain fashion at the top of my canopy, behind the fluorescents. I put both sets of lights on separate timers and it works great.

Light Mounting: At the suggestion of AH Supply, I put my lights on a 1” x 4” plank of wood that is 71” long (the inside length of the canopy). The ballast is mounted on the back of this same piece of wood. I then use 1” x 2” pieces of wood on the inside ends of the canopy to serve as rails for the lighting board to rest on. This gave me the ability to slide the lights forward and backward. When I slide them backward, I can open the glass tops and access the tank for cleaning, etc. This is a very important point – if I were not able to move the lights freely, then my access to the tank would be very limited, or the lights would be mounted too far to the rear. Also, I can remove the lights without removing the canopy.

Filters: One Eheim 2217 and one Eheim 2028. Seems like plenty of filtering and water movement to me, though I may add a spongefilter on a powerhead in the future. The standard hose lengths of the 2217 are too short for a tall tank in a tall stand (remember, I went with a 30” stand rather than the standard 24”). I had to order additional hoses to get the 2217 up and running. The 2028 hoses were just long enough. Though the 2217 was much cheaper (got it with a full media and spray bar kit for $115), the 2028 is a better design (as you’d expect for $280 or so). The 2028 has much nicer spray bar, tubing, etc., but both work well and are absolutely silent. I really like the basket design of the 2028, which will make maintenance much easier.

Anyway, there’s much more detail I haven’t gone into and I’d be happy to share with anybody, but I’ve probably gone on too long.

Good luck.

roadracr


thats great to hear that your experience with GC was a good one.

I did a some research on them a little while ago and could not believe how many negative experiences people had out there..mainly saltwater people..they get blasted on some of the big reef forums on the net.

sort of scared me away from using them..
 
Thanks roadracr for taking the time to go into such detail - it's greatly appreciated!!!! This is obviously a very large investment and the more input I can get the better (not to mention how the feedback will benefit other readers)!

I was all set for the Aqueon 150 tall, stand, and canopy ... but ...

A couple of quick questions:

1. Are you happy with your choice for tank, stand, and canopy? The more-solid construction of the stand and canopy sounds really cool - no hesitation at all to finish and seal myself.

2. If I might ask - what did you end up paying (to your door) for the tank, stand, and canopy?

3. Do you have a pic of your tank you could post? Even more specifically - a picture of your light setup inside your canopy?

4. How / where did you order the extra hose for the 2217 - was it easy to get? Can you notice any slowdown in the performance of the 2217 with the longer hoses?
 
cfsinc,

No problem at all. To answer your questions:

1. Yes, I am quite happy with the tank, stand, and canopy. All are solid construction. The tank alone is about 400 lbs. and I would not want to put this on a questionable stand.

2. All pricing is on the Glasscages.com website, but here was my add-up:

$600.00 - Tank (same price as 180G)
$265.00 - Starphire Glass on 3 sides (personal preference)
$415.00 - Tall Stand (30")
$50.00 - Additional Door on left side of stand
$180.00 - Canopy
$120.00 - Delivery to Indianapolis area
$45.00 - Glass Tops
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$1675.00 - Total

Expensive, but I ended up with exactly what I wanted.

3. I've attached several pictures as requested. I think you get the idea. I haven't done the staining/finishing yet, but that will be a project for next weekend.

4. I ordered 10' lengths of Eheim 0.50 in. and 0.65 in. hose through Marine Depot. Arrived in just a couple of days.

Regards,

roadracr

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Just got back from the LFS and talked with Matt (he is following and has posted to this thread). Thanks again for all your assistance Matt! Really some great input regarding plants, etc.!

They have EcoComplete - way expensive. Matt said it breaks down in about 2 years. Whereas, Flourite won't (what I have in my 45). Any input?!?

Also, they don't carry any black gravel, per say. Just the dreaded river gravel (lol)! Any ideas??

Since I am going to paint the spray bars black, I am thinking of just replacing the green Eheim tubing with black. I have to order additional tubing anyway - what comes with the 2217s won't begin to reach. Question (again): The extra distance won't cut down on the filters' performance will it??

And finally, Marcie (owner) is out today. I will need to go back up on Tuesday or Wednesday to discuss final price on tank, stand, and canopy. That will give me a couple of days to further research GlassCages.com and what they may have to offer.
 
BK - where did you get your wood / sticks??
will send you a pm in a bit

Just got back from the LFS and talked with Matt (he is following and has posted to this thread). Thanks again for all your assistance Matt! Really some great input regarding plants, etc.!

They have EcoComplete - way expensive. Matt said it breaks down in about 2 years. Whereas, Flourite won't (what I have in my 45). Any input?!?

Also, they don't carry any black gravel, per say. Just the dreaded river gravel (lol)! Any ideas??

petco/petsmart/petland discount 20lb bag for $12-13

Since I am going to paint the spray bars black, I am thinking of just replacing the green Eheim tubing with black. I have to order additional tubing anyway - what comes with the 2217s won't begin to reach. Question (again): The extra distance won't cut down on the filters' performance will it??

its best to keep the tubing short and less twists/loops the better but with the height of the tank it will be just fine.

And finally, Marcie (owner) is out today. I will need to go back up on Tuesday or Wednesday to discuss final price on tank, stand, and canopy. That will give me a couple of days to further research GlassCages.com and what they may have to offer.
Good luck
 
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