Are Water Changes Actually Necessary?

[GoldLenny]

OK now can you point me too the scientific facts that you refer too. I ask this because too many times things are said or done just because and not because of any proof other than I say so and I am not referring to me saying I say so. I also wonder about the angel fish sizes, are you referring to total fish as in fins and all or are you refering to body size only.

I should just say "No Comment" since nothing I would say would inform you of anything anyhow...

But that said, how about Chemistry and Biology for starters.... or do you consider those to NOT be sciences?

Since you are supposedly an experienced fish keeper, you should know the proper way to measure fish.

 

[SweetieAngel]

That's really rude J double R, just sayin'.

 

[J double R]

feel free to make a contributory post that is actually on topic(have you made any in this thread yet?), or contact a moderator.

 

[GoldLenny]

I have never done things just because someone said I had too but I am always willing to learn so thats why I ask for facts when something is said that I might not understand or agree with.

See... that's the problem.

Using your *logic*, if you don't agree with something, you want me to do all of your homework for you?

If I say that it's a FACT that 1+1=2 and then you decide to NOT "agree" with that fact because you went to a crappy school where teachers gave kids credit for at least trying to get the right answer, then do I have to go back to pre-school and teach this FACT to you or will you "agree" that 1+1=2 is a FACT?

If you "agree" that 1+1=2 is a FACT without my supplying scientific data, then I shouldn't have to supply scientific data about other facts that I may present. If you don't "agree" with my facts, then choose to either study the subject yourself or live your life in bliss... you know the old saying about bliss! ;-)

See my other post about your questions about what sciences and scientific facts affect fish keeping.

Now, we can play your word-play games for the rest of our lives if you choose to ask word-play questions. I find them a rather amusing way to spend a HOT Saturday afternoon... and I'm not one of those people that go running off when a good debate/discussion presents itself! ;-)

 

[excuzzzeme]

This entire thread is much like the question as to what came first - the chicken or the egg. Ford or Chevy.

I read people demanding facts of others yet supply none in support of their position. When pushed, they reply with "I learned it in school"??? OK, it's time to drop the pettiness and try to have a mature debate. Length of time in the hobby is a moot point. Number of posts is also a moot point as there is no grading system to qualify the accuracy of given posts.

By the standard you use to measure one's answers need to be applied equally to your own. If you wish to demand "facts" in support of an answer, you must be willing to support your position to the same standard. So far that has not been the case. It has been more of a "Do as I say, not as I do" diatribe. - Very petty and immature.

 

[J double R]

Chevy. Chicken.

/win

 

[excuzzzeme]

Chevy. Chicken.

/win

You wanna debate that???

Egg/Ford

MY post, MY question. I demand you prove to me with FACTS that the chicken came first. I learned in school the egg comes first. Where's your factual scientific proof? :rofl:

 

[J double R]

well, I looked it up on wikipedia, and then I decided that since my experiences proved chevy is better, that means it is clearly the winner. The chicken came first, because I get chickens from the grocery store. Clearly that is their natural environment, and any other notion would be forcing an unnatural event onto them, creating a vortex of fail.

 

[Slappy*McFish]

lol^

 

[CWO4GUNNER]

There are many analogies in life that are good examples why water changes in a small body of water like an aquarium is necessary. However the regularity and amount are very subjective depending on allot of factors from bio-load amount and type to what type of filtration you have i.e mechanical, biological, hydroponic purification, reverse osmosis.

So yes you can with enough equipment whether home made or bought come close to replicating nature and greatly lengthen the periods between water changes, but for the most part unless the body of water is huge and in an open environment like a huge lake, water changes in small locked bodies of water (Ponds & Aquariums) are going to need water changes.

My systems allow me to do 50% every 4 weeks in summer and 6 weeks in winter with absolutely no ill effects. In fact too frequent or too great an amount of water changes can also be detrimental when your only source of replacement water is chemically treated and processed by the city which of course requires even more chemicals to correct.

When I first started out chasing toxins and doing water changes every week, fish death seemed to be part of the hobby. Now I almost never lose fish becasue I know and take good care of my water, water-changing when I need it rather then a habit.