Cycling my new tank with Dr. Tim's

Jannika

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Day 1, Tuesday 09/07

Set up my new 20 long. Put in tank divider, play sand on one side, new gravel on the other, a few plants, real & silk, and some pre-soaked manzanita & mopani wood. Put in the water (treated with Prime, 2 drops per gallon), heater & new Whisper 30 HOB that I bought for $9.95 from Pet Solutions. After the $5.00 rebate I'll have paid $4.95, and the thing cranks out some water, but that's a 'nother topic.

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Also added 1/2 of the 4 oz bottle of Dr. Tim's One and Only (thank you, Dr. Tim!) directly into the filter media. 2 oz treats 30 gallons, so is a little more than suggested, but you can't overdose it.

Water parameters:
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 5 (from tap)
pH 8.3

That evening I went to Petco and bought 4 female Bettas, please don't flame me. This is what the product is for. They must have just changed their water because it was crystal clear.

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Since the temps were the same, I poured in the fish but kept out most of the cup water. They all took to their new home, ate well, and went exploring.

Day 2, Wednesday 09/08

Fish look good, they're active and eating. A little chasing while they establish the pecking order, but nothing serious. They colluded long enough to find a weak spot in my DIY divider and dug their way to the other side like a prison escape. Back and forth all day long until I fortified the fence, which really ticked them off. My frogs will be moved into that cell, I mean area.

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Day 3, Thursday 09/09

Ammonia is registering on my Alert card, which means it's NH3, the toxic form. My high pH makes any level of ammonia a concern. I put it side by side with the one from my other tank so you could see the difference.

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The white crowntail looks okay but is not eating. The other three are active, but the pink veiltale is showing nasty red around the gills.

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I change about 45% of the water, and dose the tank with 2 ml, or about 60 drops of Prime.

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I also add another oz. of Dr. Tim's into the filter. The white crowntail isn't looking good and is starting to be picked on by the blue fish.

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I move her to the other side where she remains in one spot, barely breathing now. I don't know what else I can do at this point, so I'm going to bed. I guess you can flame me now, but be gentle.

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Thank you for sharing in such detail. I hope they make it. I did a fish in cycle with tss, turned out ok, but I did 25% changes every other day. Started with a giant betta, added shrimp, neon tetras, and otos over a few weeks time. Goos luck
 
Oh wow...I'm really so sorry. :(

I hope they make it. I have two bags of some AquaClear ammonia remover (filter insert) - I wish you were next door and I'd let you have it for free!

Thanks for the heads up on the Pet Solutions deal...verrrry tempting...
 
I would recommend getting a test kit and testing for NH3, NO2, NO3

even with live bacteria it is common to see small spikes in ammonia.

it is possible the fish that is doing poorly was a target of aggression by a tank mate which may have lead to the problem with it.

hang in there
 
The yellow level on the Seachem Ammonia Alert card is the lowest level... less than 0.02ppm. Did it go any higher?

That bottom picture looks like the fins have been nipped badly... or is it just the angle?
 
Consider that the product is designed to establish the colony, NOT instantly cycle a tank. Also consider that a betta sorority will have an alpha female and that hierarchy needs to be established. It can take a week or so before it dies down IME.
 
I thought I had read something about Prime affecting nitrifying bacteria colony growth and here's an old AC thread about Prime and BioSpira with emails to both Marineland and Seachem and their replies.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-65173.html

If only the minimum amount of Prime is used, it seems to be OK but if folks overdose it, it can adversely affect BioSpira... and I'm presuming Dr. Tim's One And Only even though it's an advanced form of BioSpira.
 
Jannika

do you have access to ammonia and nitrite test kits? Let's say the ammonia alert is correct and you have 0.02 un-ionized ammonia. At your pH and I am guessing a temperature of 77 deg F you would have a total ammonia around 2 ppm which most test kits can easily read. Also would be instructive to know the nitrite.

In any case, you might see a little ammonia for a short time - we do not promise no ammonia no nitrite. We promise they will not zoom up and reach toxic levels.
 
Thanks everyone for your replies. The little one didn't make it, but the others are doing fine and eating well.

Hi Doc Tim
Yes, I have all the test kits necessary, although once the tank is dosed with ammonia detox product, the liquid test kit is pretty much useless, isn't it? The SeaChem card will measure toxic ammonia only, although what's an "alert" for someone with pH of say, 7.4, could be "toxic" for me, with 8.3. Nevertheless, I'm happy to say it's back in the safe zone.

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By contrast, I also did the liquid test, along with Nitrite & Nitrate.
What I find interesting is that my nitrates are now 10 - 15, but still no nitrite.

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I think large water changes might be problematic, or is the bacteria is already settled in the filter and out of the water column?

Thanks again!
 
I've successfully used Prime with Biospira with no detectable effect on the colonizing bacteria. Both products worked as advertised, so it probably would be safe to say that Dr Tim's would not be effected by proper dosing of Prime either.
 
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