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[aquariumfishguy]

But if you follow this then there should be no court system or laws at all. Then where would we be?

You have to give him a break on that - I mean, it is a stretch. As I said, the government or whomever use the bible whenever it works for them. But in the end, if you believe and/or follow the bible you are doing wrong in murdering. If you read (or also believe in) the bible, you'd also know that laws are necessary and are not to be broken. However, does God say anything about putting people to death and that being O.K.? Enough of the bible aspect of it from me.........

So do you think that by showing them a good example for 4-5 years going to fix a 43 and 51 year old? I don't think so.

Do you mean in prison time? Who gets 4-5 years for cold-blooded 1st degree murder? If so, maybe I should look into that - might be worth it in some cases!

ONLY KIDDING. :soda:

 

[slipknottin]

Now I understand the separation of church and state, but our laws have a large connection to our faith.

Not at all, our goverment and legal system are not based on christian principles at all.

Nearly all the founding fathers were deists or unitarians.

 

[Tyler718]

I also agree that murder is murder. You go on ahead, pull the switch, inject em... but I couldn't live with myself if I killed someone. The only way I would ever do that is if I had a life or death situation at my home or something. But to kill someone as a job, well that takes someone special (is that even the right word?).…..

So let me ask this. So those of us in the military are murders for our duties? I was in Iraq last year and have no regrets for it.

 

[Tyler718]

Do you mean in prison time? Who gets 4-5 years for cold-blooded 1st degree murder? If so, maybe I should look into that - might be worth it in some cases!

ONLY KIDDING. :soda:

I believe he was refering to the people in the article. I don't believe they should be put to death, but they should have gotten more than the 4-5 years they got.

Also no more religion for me. Who know who's really right.

 

[slipknottin]

Also no more religion for me. Who know who's really right.

dangerous argument to get into when half the board wears signatures that are quotes from the bible. I learned long ago not to bring it up.

 

[aquariumfishguy]

So let me ask this. So those of us in the military are murders for our duties? I was in Iraq last year and have no regrets for it.

Well... that would depend on who you talk to. Murder is often seen as an unlawful crime, and is usually premeditated. In that case, you might not be considered a murderer. On the other hand, to murder can also just mean to kill brutally or inhumanly, or simply to put an end to, destroy. (found in the dictionary).

That isn't to say the cause wasn't just or unnecessary... as said, who knows who is right or wrong when it comes to war. We could get into heated debates talking about that. But regardless of whether it is right or wrong, it is still killing someone. If you do not have any problem with that, it is OK. That is why you were in Iraq in the first place. I'm just saying I couldn't kill somebody.

I don't know - I tried answering that one as best as I could. It all would depend on your personal beliefs, and so on. Nobody can condemn you for your beliefs, as we are not judging you in the end (again, that goes back to your beliefs, if you believe someone judges you once you die).

 

[daveedka]

I also agree that murder is murder. You go on ahead, pull the switch, inject em... but I couldn't live with myself if I killed someone. The only way I would ever do that is if I had a life or death situation at my home or something. But to kill someone as a job, well that takes someone special (is that even the right word?).

One of the reasons this is getting so confusing is that the death penalty is being classified the same as murder. They are not remotely related. Just like killing someone on the battlefield is not remotely related. The death penalty is punishment for a crime committed. It is a consequence of an action. No different than the consequence of lighting a stick of TNT and holding it until it blows up. The person "pulling the switch" Is no more guilty of a crime than someone who works in a meat packing plant, or a fisherman that eats what he catches. Folks who don't see it that way, probably shouldn't apply for the job. When we set out to get revenge, then we are guilty, when we set out to serve justice we are not. there is a difference and it is a big difference.

Whatever. You can kill someone by death row but yet it is looked down upon to kill someone, even in self-defense in today's society.

Not sure what society you are referring to, but to my knowledge there are only a few places in the United states where it is frowned upon for someone to defend themselves. And those places are generally viewed as odd and ridiculous.

Dave

 

[gonefishin]

Yeah, that's a tough one. Regardless of wheather its right or wrong, it's not our place to say. you did what you had to, and I'm sure the iraqi people who are now free from the hell that was sadam are greatful. As am I.

 

[aquariumfishguy]

daveedka - the fact is, who is to say you are more qualified than the next person to kill somebody? So if I work for the government, I can flip the switch, but I still shouldn't feel bad because it was my job? It really isn't confusing at all... killing is killing. I believe that is what a fellow poster had mentioned. No 'higher being' appointed a specific individual to kill, and another to be classified as a murderer, just because it wasn't a legal killing. Whether you should feel bad about the given killing would depend upon your beliefs, the situation at hand, and so on. That’s all I was getting at.

 

[Tyler718]

I don't want to jinx this, but I'm glad that we are able to debate without any of us to lose our cool or turn it personal.

daveedka - the fact is, who is to say you are more qualified than the next person to kill somebody? So if I work for the government, I can flip the switch, but I still shouldn't feel bad because it was my job? It really isn't confusing at all... killing is killing. I believe that is what a fellow poster had mentioned. No 'higher being' appointed a specific individual to kill, and another to be classified as a murderer, just because it wasn't a legal killing. Whether you should feel bad about the given killing would depend upon your beliefs, the situation at hand, and so on. That’s all I was getting at.

I reread what I posted late last night. I think I might have came across the wrong way or wasn't elaborate enough in what I posted.

I don't have any regrets for what I did since I feel that it was for a just cause, but it doesn't mean that it was easy. I didn't find it easy in the least or enjoy it one bit. If I did, then I think I would have some serious issues I would need to work out with myself.

As posted earlier by a few, if "killing is killing", then wouldn't self defense in your home or protecting your family be just as bad? What I'm getting at I guess, where is the line drawn between right and wrong? Each person has there own point of view, but very few people have the exact same view.