Define Overstocking.

can i ask you an earnest question ghost_knife?(i dont mean this in a bad way just an earnest question)
are you a bitter person or do u just like to be sarcastic? ur always putting down people or being negative arent moderators sposed to be uplifting an kind? its fine if your just being funny (i laughed) but sometimes i feel discouraged when i read ur replies.

when it comes to Modding I have to be unbiased. when it comes to posting. thats my thing
 
yah.... Mgamer wins.
 
why do when ever you tell someone they are overstocked they are always getting or will be getting a 200 gal.
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LOL- I read that all the time.

I try to stay out of stocking questions- there are too many variables and people are quick to defend their ways (some rightfully so).
 
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What I really hate is how dogmatic some folks are....whenever I see the words "you must", "you can't" etc., I tune out immediately...and usually the most opinionated are the folks with the least experience that are just regurgitating something they read on one site (take "clown loaches" for instance, hehe)....if they actually had experience, they would realize what you folks have been stating in this thread, which is there are too many variables to have a set definition of overstocking....as you gain experience, it becomes more of an intuitive thing....water parameters, behavior, growth rates, etc. all play a part. And yes, someday, EVERYONE will get a 200 gallon tank!.....it just won't be today...when they need it....
 
What I really hate is how dogmatic some folks are....whenever I see the words "you must", "you can't" etc., I tune out immediately...and usually the most opinionated are the folks with the least experience that are just regurgitating something they read on one site (take "clown loaches" for instance, hehe)....if they actually had experience, they would realize what you folks have been stating in this thread, which is there are too many variables to have a set definition of overstocking....as you gain experience, it becomes more of an intuitive thing....water parameters, behavior, growth rates, etc. all play a part. And yes, someday, EVERYONE will get a 200 gallon tank!.....it just won't be today...when they need it....

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very good point. thats why as best as possible i say i think or you should or i would
 
Overstocking....lack of experience and commen sense.
 
i also dont believe in buying a fish unless you have the room for it. saying oh it will be fine in this 20 gal because i am getting a 200 gal is not ok. now if you had this 200 gal and wanted to grow it out in a smaller tank thats fine.

How are these two concepts different? If I keep a fish in a 20g growout tank for a few weeks while the other larger tank sits empty, how is that any different from keeping the same fish in a growout tank for a few weeks until I BUY a larger tank? Obviously, since I'm using a growout tank in this hypothetical situation, I'm not putting a fish in there that's too large for the tank. No half grown arowanas or things of that nature. I'm talking about buying juvenile fish that have the potential to get larger.....like a 2 inch oscar or a 3 or 4 inch siver arowana. Use your imagination to pick a fish of a reasonable size for the tank knowing that it WILL be moved.

Maybe I'm assuming too many people will follow through with the purchase of a larger tank. I don't know. But, if they're even familiar with the concept of a growout tank, can't you assume that they're intentions to move a fish to a larger tank are indeed genuine and that they WILL follow through?

Now, if someone has 10 6 inch fish in a 10 gallon and they get berated for it and then counter with, "Oh, I'm getting a 1 million gallon tank next week" you know they're full of crap. However, if someone says that they've got a 2 or 3 inch juvenile oscar in a 20 gallon and they have to wait a few weeks to get a larger tank, I'm inclined to believe that they're going to get that tank. You just have to look at the situation and go by whatever info they give you.

As for the orginal topic, I go by number of fish occupying each "niche" in the tank, ability to maintain perfect water params with a normal water change schedule (one pwc a week or every 2 weeks), and presentation of "normal" behavior, which I guess means that I also consider the needs of individual species in the stocking level. If you have fish that are likely to be aggressive in confined spaces and they show that behavior then you're overstocked with regards to that fish. If your fish needs a lot of open space to swim, be it on the bottom or in the water column, and you have a whole bunch of obstacles or other fish in the way then you're overstocked.

I guess if you're overstocked your fish are going to be the ones that let you know. You just have to know what signs to look for. Of course, that doesn't preclude you from using common sense.........that's a lot to ask of our species, I know.
 
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