High Court Ends Death Penalty for Youths

In my opinion, the root of the problem is the lack of empathy, the me first attitude and the acceptance of violence that has permeated our society. How does this happen?

Violence is so easily accepted in video games, tv programs, movies. The news carries so much. People are desentizied to it, and to some extent it can feed ideas to borderline personality types who act on it. How may copycat Columbines were there after the original event? I'm not saying that these things should be censored or that they are wrong, but it's out there more.

Some of us work hard to raise intelligent, thinking caring children who have empathy for others and goals in life. For all of us that do, there are others who could give a rat's a$$ what their kids do, and even worse those who abuse them. Or those who elevate their little darlings on pedestals and never thwart their desires. This is also abuse, just not formally recognized as such.

To me there seems to be more and more remorseless young people out there with disregard for human life. Can these people be rehabilitated? Obviously prision doesn't reform them, it just gives them better contacts. The thought of it doesn't deter them. Most think they won't be caught. If only it were as easy as in colonial times and we could do as the British and ship them off to another continent.

The death penalty has it's place as a component of a civilized legal system. There are laws that govern it's use, the accused has a trial and is convicted by a jury.
I don't see how it can be said that this country is less civilized because of this. If vigilanteism prevailed..that would be uncivilized.

You can use components of religion to either support or defend the death penalty. The ten comandments are one document, you have to look at the whole body of the theology in context. I can quote you a single passage of scripture that in and of itself would appear to support just about whatever cause you wished to defend. That's what happens when you take things out of context, so I agree that the "WWJD" debate isn't one to have in this forum.
 
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Karnaaj said:
Judging someone in a court of law has absolutely zero. zilch, nada to do with one person judging another.

Do you honestly believe that? Do you think God gives a rats behind who is appointed in charge of flipping the switch on someone’s life? I do not know for sure one way or the other. But I, for one, do not plan on being put in the situation where I have to kill somebody. And I pray to my Lord that I am never put into a position where I'd wish death on somebody.
 
aquariumfishguy said:
I, for one, do not plan on being put in the situation where I have to kill somebody. And I pray to my Lord that I am never put into a position where I'd wish death on somebody.

If everyone felt that way, there wouldn't be a problem!
 
This is an interesting thread to read. I personally am for the death penalty, and if I were running this country, there'd be a far more liberal use of it! There are many, many people in our prisons who are habitual, lifetime offenders. They spend 5 years in jail for a crime, get out, and 3 days later, do something else, get busted, back up the river for 10 years, get out, 1 month later, do something else... etc etc. These are people who have no redeeming value to society and it makes me sick to think that my taxes go to put a fitness facility/TV/higher education/etc in a prison for violent criminals. If I had a choice between being homeless on the streets and having "3 hots and a cot" I'd probably do something bad too to get put up in The Federal Hilton. Perhaps if prison wasn't so darn fun, we'd have fewer criminals in there.

I also see that several people here refer to "innocents" being given the death penalty. I would be very interested in finding out how often that really happens, and what do we mean by "innocents"? For example, are we talking about a Tidy Ted who attends church, is active in his community, has held a good job for many years, coaches little league and is liked by all who know him and suddenly his wife ends up dead and he's the only suspect? Or are we talking about Joe Schmoe has a rap sheet as long as my leg, he happens to be at a friends house when someone next door gets murdered, he gets arrested but didn't actually do THAT particular crime. In the first instance, well, i'm sure a jury would have a hard time giving the death sentance to a guy like that unless there was MAJOR evidence that he actually committed the crime.... While on the other hand, ok, so Joe Schmoe didn't happen to kill THAT particular person, but he's a habitual, lifetime criminal... I wouldn't call him "innocent".
 
Perhaps if prison wasn't so darn fun, we'd have fewer criminals in there.

Slight exaggeration perhaps.

I also see that several people here refer to "innocents" being given the death penalty

I'm talking about the 85 people executed who have now had their sentences exonerated since 1976.
 
There is something to what aknif sais about prison though, there are way too many perks. I wouldn't do away with the higher education though, I think that education is a fundamental aspect of rehabilitation. Whether your education is leading to being able to get a job and provide for yourself legitimately or simply provide you with a better understanding of the world and perhaps a better morality, whether that can be developed later in life is a debate for teh psychologists, not me.

In any case, what I would like to see in prison is a bare minimal of living conditions and forced labour. Well, it would only be forced if you refused to do it voluntarily ;). I, like many here, see little value to society in these habitual offenders, but I think that there are jobs they could be put to that could help them to pay us back for what they took from us. Couple hard labour with miserable living conditions and I think that prison would be a deterent. If somehow we ran out of useful jobs for them to do, find them something pointless. Of course what makes me think of this is that I have to analyse some 1000+ data files over the next few days and it's repetitive, soul destroying work, really the kind of thing fit for a convict ;) .

I think that it's best to leave religeous arguments (and arguments about religeons) aside. No one can really say what God's will is and the fact that we were given freedom of choice, will, and existance indicates that His will would be for us to be masters of our own world, with proper reverence of course.
 
I think that's fair. I mean I still don't think prisons are fun otherwise I'd take the kids on vacation to one. But most prison work is just boring and tedious like making license plates. Big deal. These are the type of jobs that many of us have anyway.
 
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