I need an all-in-one fertilizer. Ideas please.

ok one more time before i bash my head into the wall.....

I need an all-in-one fertilizer. I need something that has macros, micros, trace, secondary, primary, elemental, whatever you want to call it, all in ONE container.
Slappy*McFish points out PMDD. there 2 links 2 people gave to buy pmdd.
http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aquarium-fertilizers-supplements/pmdd.html
http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/i...rnEdit=9&Returnitemname=&ReturnShowItemStart=

2 sites same item. PMDD which is a all in one fert like you asked. Plus its dry so you can make your own liquid vs something like florush which will cost more money. following this were the links explaining what pmdd is and how to add it to the tank.

http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Fertilizer/pmdd-tim.html
http://www.jsctech.co.uk/theplantedtank/PMDD.htm

you clicked around and found this.
http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aquarium-fertilizers-supplements/micro-macro-fertilizers.html
which is a package. you get 1 bag with P 1 bag with K 1 bag with N and 1 bag with csm+b (if you buy this it gives you more options such as EI which isnt a all in one) instead of buying 1 pound of each he put it into 1 item in his store to make it easy to buy.

I pointed out if you wanted to keep up with the idea of 1 bottle all in one you should follow PMDD. Take those individual bags of ferts you bout and mix them up like they call for. Though PMDD calls for more MG which you were not getting. So you take your MG add it to the mixture and boom a all in one.

I don't think you understood what I was asking.
i am not sure you know what your asking.
I was asking "What's the reason why I should follow the pmdd and use my epsom salt?"
becasue pmdd is basically a all in one. there are a lot of other options or systems to add ferts to your tank. PMDD is a pre mix you just add it to the tank and be done with it. the others you have to add together if you want a all in 1 or add each one to the tank. i keep pushing pmdd since thats what you keep asking for.

when I can just buy the green package which already has it and everything else needed as well?
you can do what ever you want. your tank what you add to it in the end is up to you. like tom barr pointed out "CMS just has a little bit of Mg in it." again pmdd calls for more MG. if you want to mix some up with out it go right ahead i always suggest expermenting with things and see how it goes but you seem to want a proven method and simple. Simple is following what others in the past had success with vs going out on your own.

The whole point of this thread was to find a product that already has everything so I don't have to buy individual nutrients.

yes and been answered many times.

Plus, if I bought my own nutrients, I have no idea how much to add of each and don't feel like doing the research to find out when I can buy a product that has already done it for me.
thats what the package is. individual nutrients just packaged together. like you go to a store and buy a box of mixed chips... comes with a couple lays some Doritos maybe some chettos.... vs chex mix when they come in one bag together.....
 
ok one more time before i bash my head into the wall.....
It's not my fault that you're unclear. Or maybe it's just me but I seem to have trouble understanding what you're trying to say in other threads as well and I don't have that problem with other people on here. No offense but I'm just saying that I have a hard time understanding you.
 

That's what your looking for, same as I do but I mix the individual nutrients into one bottle, it's cheaper that way. You can get this:

http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aquarium-fertilizers-supplements/dispenser-16oz.html

to mix and keep the solution in. I use one of these each for my NPK, Excel and Prime. Just makes dosing easier.

But once you have the solution made, how much do you plan on dosing? There are different methods, the most popular being EI (Tom Barr) or PPS Pro (www.aquaticplantcentral.com). I use PPS Pro only because I dose 8 tanks and do 20% wc's weekly, not 50% as EI needs.

It's an 'all-in-one' product that's already mixed together for you.


Mixed with 2 cups of water, it should last quite awhile in the fridge. Repeat the process once used up. One pound will last a long time.

I would like to add, that PO4 is not included in the mix. You may not need to supplement it if the tank is low-tech and well stocked with fish. You could always just test your PO4 levels to be sure.

was about to post link but Mgamer20o0 beat me to it. Found this site last night that has all-in-one ferts.

http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aquarium-fertilizer.html


It's not my fault that you're unclear. Or maybe it's just me but I seem to have trouble understanding what you're trying to say in other threads as well and I don't have that problem with other people on here. No offense but I'm just saying that I have a hard time understanding you.
there times i am unclear but i wasnt the only one saying the same thing. maybe there is comprehension problem with more then just my self.
 
Capy ... just go to the Aquarium Fertilizer site and get the PMDD mix that was linked here in the thread. For what you are looking for, this is going to be your best option. 1 bag of powder is what you will get. Mix 1/4 cup dry powder to 500ml distilled water (Gatorade bottles are perfect). Will last a long time depending on how many tanks you will be dosing.

Once you start talking about adding other things, this and that, then you may as well look at going EI at that point.
 
I know you probably want it to be easy so that is why you want a all in one but there are advantages of being able to break up all your stuff into seperate doses. For instance if you tank is heavily stocked KNO3 isn't really needed because of the waste the fish give off. And sometimes over feeding can lead to high phosphate levels, in this case you don't want to add to your problem by dosing phosphates. To much Iron and you can get a thread algae outbreak etc. I like being able to combat problems with certain fertilizers.
 
Mgamer200o0 If i purchased your all in one package for a wet mix whats the ratio of water to dry fertz? Do I mix the iron with the CSM+B or keep it separate? What would you guys suggest the dosing amount for a 40 b with two(2) two bulb 36" t5HO fixtures.
 
there times i am unclear but i wasnt the only one saying the same thing. maybe there is comprehension problem with more then just my self.

Yeah, I don't think so... I just said you're the only one I couldn't understand.

I know you probably want it to be easy so that is why you want a all in one but there are advantages of being able to break up all your stuff into seperate doses. For instance if you tank is heavily stocked KNO3 isn't really needed because of the waste the fish give off. And sometimes over feeding can lead to high phosphate levels, in this case you don't want to add to your problem by dosing phosphates. To much Iron and you can get a thread algae outbreak etc. I like being able to combat problems with certain fertilizers.

I totally understand that but at this point, I don't know what I'm doing so I feel that all-in-one is the way to go until I get more experience and knowledge and energy.
 
Be easiest to not do an all in one.

Some folks like messy liquids, bully for them.

I dose 3-4 things, that's it, do so 2-3 x a week.
Some folks prefer to divide into daily dosing, works the same as well.

Dosing is easy.

Folks, however, make it hard on themselves.


I dose 4 things:

KNO3
KH2PO4
GH booster
Trace mix.

Takes me the same time to dose this as an all in one solution.
Label the jugs full of dry powder.
Use rich sediment ferts as well in case I forget to dose or leave for a few days.
Use lower light, reduces consumption and waste.

You will learn more and have more options using the 4 simply ingredients.
This is not hard or mentally challenging.

Use a teaspoon set to dose, do so 3x a week etc.

If you can make cookie dough, you can do this. Once you do it 2-3x, it'll be "old hat", boring even..........
PMDD is an old holdover from the days when PO4 was considered Evil.

Here's a tank I dose like I suggest(yes, I take my own advice, as painful as it might sound)
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2 Teaspoons of KNO3 3x a week
1 teaspoon of KH2PO4 3x a week
3-4 Teaspoons of GH booster after water change only.
About 1/5th of CMS+B and a little DTPA fe mixed in. 3x a week

Done.

There is no aquatic plant out of some 400+ available that will not grow in such a tank.

also got this problem: fish breeding....
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Great, now I got to figure out what to do with the fry..........

I'd honestly tell you stop worrying about ferts so much.
I'd take these guys advice and focus on good current and a slight ripple but not quite breaking the water's surfacfe and then tweak CO2 slowly, use lower light ranges, 8-10 hours max.

http://www.tropica.com/advising/technical-articles/biology-of-aquatic-plants/co2-and-light.aspx

Now I could mix these doses all in a bottle and keep KH2PO4 separate in it's own solution bottle. Or do micros in one or macros in another.
Then mix up a jug of each and dose 2 solutions, but there's a bit of an issue with the Fe and PO4 mixing.

PMDD does not add PO4 and we know PO4 helps a great deal in growing plants well.
The algae = PO4 is rubbish.



Regards,
Tom Barr
 
Tank lookin good Tom !!!!
 
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