I need some help please!

supgourami said:
Bettas live in rice patties.

There is less room there than there are in bowls.
Please do some research before you make comments like that. Oh, and I doubt you'll find much searching on "rice patties". Try "rice paddies" or "rice paddy".

It may not be the best for them, but they can live for a long time in a bowl.
Thats what like 90% of betta owners do.
And if 90% of dog owners tie up their dogs on a 2 foot chain outside 24/7, does that make it okay?

Why not? Sure! The dogs can live for a long time on a 2 foot chain. So what if they get cold or hot. So what if they have to lie in their own crap.

Yah, right.

Roan
 
:OT: That is a beatiful website dorkfish
 
Everyone is hatin' on me.


Dogs and fish are two totally different things.


And I go to school to learn about fish and stuff. I have some idea of what I'm talking about. Okay, soo yea.

And I have heaters for my bettas anyways.
I'm just trying to stick up for people who don't have them.
 
No one is "hatin'" on you...they're responding to your continued comments that show an abysmal ignorance of and lack of committment to the proper and appropriate care of aquarium stock.

Sure, bettas can survive in abysmal conditions for at time. It doesn't mean anyone is going to encourage owners to continue to maintain them in those conditions when it's incredibly simple to provide not only adequate, but even superlative care.

Certainly no one is going to support maintaining an animals in LESS than adequate conditions for their continuing wellbeing.
 
Wishful said:
Certainly no one is going to support maintaining an animals in LESS than adequate conditions for their continuing wellbeing.

especially, one would think, someone who is educated (or being educated) about "fish and stuff"... :mad:
 
supgourami said:
Everyone is hatin' on me.
No, we are stopping the spreading of misinformation. Something that does not serve the hobby well.

Dogs and fish are two totally different things.
Why? Because dogs will whine if they are abused? Because you can cuddle them? Because they don't need their own little "world" to sustain them? Because they are so gosh-darn cute? Because there are laws to protect them?

Just what IS the difference? I'd like to hear this.

And I go to school to learn about fish and stuff. I have some idea of what I'm talking about. Okay, soo yea.
If you had an idea of what you were talking about, you would have researched rice paddies before making the statements that you did. There are enough myths in this hobby without someone who claims they "go to school to learn about fish and stuff" perpetuating them even further.

And I have heaters for my bettas anyways.
I'm just trying to stick up for people who don't have them.
You have heaters for all the "numerous bowls with bettas in my room"? What heaters are you using for bowled bettas?

You also said they did not need filteration?

If you want to keep your bettas in bowls, that's your perogative. They're your fish. However, most of us here advocate "best conditions possible for fish" and people who post that they don't provide the best conditions -- and defend themselves for doing it -- aren't going to get an easy ride.

Many of us are here to help educate newcomers to the hobby. That means providing the best information we can about keeping fish in the best conditions possible. What people do with that information is their business, however they can at least make an informed deciscion with good information, and not one based on myths and assumptions.

Roan
 
Oh these posts are so fun :p:

actually there is a big difference between fish and dogs..like ones a mammal..the others a ...well..fish.

that being said...that does not mean we condone the way we keep our pets..some of us have chosen to do the best we can

Bettas are labyrinth fish basically allowing them to gulp air to use O2..a trait they need since they inhabit warm shallow waters, poor in O2.

does this mean i would do this to a betta...?

nope...
gouramis are in the same boat as bettas..would you do this to your gouramis?
 
star_rider said:
Oh these posts are so fun :p:
Aren't they? ;)

actually there is a big difference between fish and dogs..like ones a mammal..the others a ...well..fish.
That's a given, of course.

that being said...that does not mean we condone the way we keep our pets..some of us have chosen to do the best we can
Therein lies the poser. Are they pets or ornaments? Paper or plastic? If you view them as pets, then treat them like pets. Give them a decent quality of life like you would any pet.

If you neglect a dog or cat, it might die. Don't feed it and it will find food, somehow, somewhere -- or at least try. Throw it outside and it will find a way to live. They are self-sustaining. Fish are not.

That's what gets me. The day you suddenly realize that their *very existence* is dependant on you. ONE misstep, and they can all die. Their fishy lives are solely dependant on you maintaining their environment.

It's a sobering thought.

However, if you view them as ornaments . . . then I guess it doesn't matter, does it? They're disposable. Throw a-ways. Paper bags that can be recycled as fertilizer if need be. So, why bother with how well they live? You can just get another.

Natch.

Roan
 
If you read above I said

"it may not be the best for them"

So I'm not supporting it or whatever, I'm just saying.



It may not be like, heaven for the betta, but they can live for up to two years in an un heated bowl.


Thank you, I will not say anymore.
 
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