Mafia 103...the play

[Nepherael]

Sounds like a fine plan. I will go look for the content.

By content on referring to all the conversation since JB offered his opinion.

 

[rich311k]

Oh I see. I'll mention again why I think I've nailed you down because it'll be faster to type than to go find my quotes. First off instead of actually really questioning anyone you just asked AAF if he was really sure about me to egg on our back and forth (and maybe a couple other fluff/shallow questions), then you voted for me with "turning and dodging" as your reason nothing beyond that (thin indeed) except for "it felt forced", followed by 2 votes for pap and you trying to get pap's back by suggesting it was possible for JB and pap to be in cahoots instead of offering much in the way of an opinion about either of their gameplay specifics so far.

Not bad, I have no ones back. I was just trying to figure how you could be so sure of me based on a decision based on game playing. What two votes are we speaking of?

As for my vote on you, you jumped, backed up, then sputtered repeatedly. Seems like a good reason to vote, to me.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Round 2...

Much like JB there was not much game related posting D1...again...it was D1.

Since I have to leave soon for work...

I vote to lynch Lab


Just because I can...I wont be around for nightfall.

D2...congrats to the Doc.

Nice save Doc!

Questioning Neph's logic...

No real issues with you placing your vote on me (you were close to UDing so you needed some place) but by this same logic wouldn't you want me to be around if I'm innocent? Considering that the odds start out in my favor of being innocent as well, it seems like a rather risky way of voting...especially since you called your own vote a shot in the dark. Also doesn't line up well with the fact that yours was the first and only vote placed on me, so it isn't like you had much chance to take me out anyways.

Hmmm...you seemed pretty excited in the sign up thread though.

Are there any other "pieces becoming clear" or just what JB said about RB?

This was in response to JB I believe...

I had somewhat similar thoughts but chalked it up to RB being RB. The problem is that with him I am not entirely surely what was intended to be taken sarcastically and what in his post was actually serious...

Then poking at RB...as well as others...

I'm not sure I would agree that every vote of yours has been a gut feel RB, you were a more investigative player back in earlier games. That being said, it still doesn't make me any more comfortable for you to admit that you are going to be voting that way. It's a nice plan for mafia since it gives them an excuse to not spend time digging for a reason to vote.



Not sure I understand how that post of Lab's was a WIFOM post. RL aside though it did seem strange she posted that and disappeared...especially considering how much activity has resulted from Neph's responses.



Men's tennis. Love the sport and might as well assume I could be on the ATP tour as well, which would be sweet!



I don't like how AAF latched on to Neph so quickly with a vote...especially since using the term "screams scum" is such a strong way to categorize someone at this stage in the game. There are also a couple subsequent posts of his that are alarming because of how hard he is pressing Neph.



When was Lab in the spotlight though? Obviously she wouldn't work to put herself there...



Realistically, out of all the things that happened on D1 how could you not rate your last minute random vote as one of the scummiest things? Yes, it may not have been such a big deal in the grand scheme of the game, but considering your reaction and OMGUS-like vote on Lab it doesn't exactly look great for you...

I also am not comfortable with you basing Lab's entire game play on one game...especially when the dynamics are drastically different. Most vet players are so good because they don't change styles from game to game, and they play that way regardless of their role.



Sorry, I worked this afternoon/evening. It was my last full day though (I have to go in tomorrow morning for a few hours) so I will be around more consistently now.



This pretty much puts you to the top of my list AAF...I don't like extreme backtracking.

Pretty well set on AAF...

You said that Neph's late vote "screams scum" but your reason for not being as sure is because he explained away his copy/paste post issue. It seems to me that regardless of whether or not Neph did get that post from the scum den that you should be pretty sure that he is scum because of his late vote.

Up until post #165 you were still grilling Neph and then a couple people point out how hard you are pressing for Neph and you take a noticeable step back. Pretty extreme IMO given the circumstances.

You're starting to get into semantics here...either way, the backtracking was noticeable.

Again at Neph...

It should be slightly concerning if it is "coming together" this early in the game. You will end up being wrong more times than not...

Don't take this as me saying you shouldn't come up with theories though because you should. The problem is that you seem almost too sure when it comes to Lab and you're basing this off of playing one game with her. She's a crafty player, no doubt, as evidenced by last game...but you have focused a lot of time explaining why you think she is scum (fairly understandable with all the defensive posts) and mentioned only a few names in passing as to who you think her teammates might be. I would hope that you intend to branch out a bit more on your suspicions if they are well placed.

I will certainly have more time to be around, but it is still the weekend so don't expect that I will be here a whole lot more the next couple of days. I'm not sure exactly what you are getting at though with your description of my gameplay there...thanks?

I understand that...but it always catches my attention when people seem so sure this early in the game since innocents are almost always still in the dark unless we had an amazing D1/N1.



Ok, I get what you mean on that...that's a bit different than a seemingly random vote on someone because of a "gut feel"

Speaking of which...



UN, you have hardly contributed and this vote doesn't look good to me. Hopefully you will explain a bit more than that when you return.



Oh AAF...you're either making this way too hard for yourself or you're scum tripping over your own words. Right now I'm thinking the latter

I vote to lynch AAF

I'm not sure on Neph yet but I wouldn't oppose voting there either. Other than that UN and Lab are the only others to peak my interest beyond the usual. I'll be around for a while but not sure if I will be here for nightfall.

Votes for AAF

Quite the reaction considering you are currently tied for the lead with two votes



I didn't notice that until now...but regardless, are you going to expand on your "gut" vote for RB?

I believe this was a comment to JB again in the first part...

I'm not sure I understand how he would need to be tricky...It's not like AAF's posts were super in depth or all that incriminating.



It was a bunch of one liners directed at Neph essentially to the tune of "or you're lying and you're mafia."



I'm with Lab on this one...how is a "gut" vote at all related to voting the person ahead of you?

Then this...

Gotcha, my thought is that he probably wasn't focused on turning it all on Lab...I agree that he probably couldn't pull that off and would lose that battle in the process.

I am more thinking along the line of AAF seeing that people thought Neph's late vote could be scummy and he saw an opportunity to try and look good while pushing an innocent in the process. His problem is that it kind of backfired.

Pushing an innocent? Maybe I'm misreading this JPap but are you saying you know Neph is innocent. This requires some explanation IMO

Not sure what to say about this post really but felt it needed to be in here in case I'm missing something.

I'm more inclined to believe JB just made a mistake not putting Rich in the post. I think he would have made it a point to say something more wishy washy about Rich if they were teammates, which is what the insinuation seems to be...

What does seem interesting though is that JB brings up an interesting point about Rich kind of "flip flopping" on Neph and then UN starts to actually put in some effort.

Good point...

Then who was Neph distancing with?

You can't call someone out for distancing and then not name all of the guilty parties...

Points out the wrong list...

Not entirely true, UN...you are looking at the incorrect list of remaining players.

Misread distracting...

It would have been an unwise move to purposefully use the incorrect list when all someone had to do is go back and check.



Sorry, I read "distracting" as "distancing".



I'm not scum, so no admission from me here...as for your description of my gameplay, you're correct in that I often get to the point of crossing the line with my questioning. But for that to happen there certainly has to be something for me to be that suspicious about. Up to this point I had only been really thinking AAF was scum, and you are forgetting that I was one of the people that got the train rolling on AAF. So it's not like I have been sitting back the entire game.

If my answer to you calling me out (which seemed a lot more like a simple observation to me) for playing low key didn't satisfy you, why not bring it up until now? You never mentioned anything about the content of my posts at the time either.

Defending against JB...

It's not like it is a big secret that I started the lynch on AAF. My point is that you're whole argument is that I haven't been picking at anything, but I most certainly went after AAF.

Essentially the same thing in my mind.

You're way too sure of me to even make me remotely comfortable about thinking you're innocent.

Thank you for the compliments (?) but you're really making my game out to be more than it ever was...and twisting it to be in your favor. The only thing you've caught is the case of the "you're wrong"-s.

Votes for JB...

I never assumed JB was mafia when I posted that, Neph. All I said was that I wasn't comfortable thinking he was innocent which is where I had him leaning up until he decided to put the spotlight on me.

I'm not really sure what the deal is, but at this point I have to think JB is mafia and they have some crazy plan to take me out. I've since thought about it and there's no other way for me to vote given how hard JB has pushed for me.

I vote to lynch JB

As for the rest of his team, I am wondering if the thing with UN was staged.

More defending...

I know I'm innocent and innocent JB wouldn't be pushing so hard for me based off of a crummy reasoning like that...you have an agenda that is not pro town.

JPap...my biggest problem with you is the post I mention above with the innocent Neph deal. I also want to see who else you are looking at right now and why.

JB...I forgot to mention before...if you could please answer what your thoughts on Labby are right now. Or did that change?

 

[dirtydawg10]

Should be "AND did that change" on the question to JB about Lab.

 

[Nepherael]

Not bad, I have no ones back. I was just trying to figure how you could be so sure of me based on a decision based on game playing. What two votes are we speaking of?

When JB and I voted for pap

As for my vote on you, you jumped, backed up, then sputtered repeatedly. Seems like a good reason to vote, to me.

Hmm I'll ask the same question I asked the first time around that you didn't answer. If my answers didn't change and largely explained what anyone leveled against me then what was so shady about it and why does it seem like I jumped and spluttered?

 

[rich311k]

When JB and I voted for pap



Hmm I'll ask the same question I asked the first time around that you didn't answer. If my answers didn't change and largely explained what anyone leveled against me then what was so shady about it and why does it seem like I jumped and spluttered?

Your answers where forced and not believable. They where a I am new and innocent defense nothing more.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Dawg... I can see your hesitation over my turn of phrase. I meant it in the spirit of nice job, good play, etc, etc. Looking at it this way, it can seem pretty erratic. I was putting my thoughts out there as I had them. If they don't always follow, it's because I make leaps sometimes. I skip around a bit and look at a lot of things before deciding a direction to travel more deeply.

Yes, I poked at a lot of people and mentioned a lot of names. Isn't that what kicking bushes is all about? And isn't kicking bushes what mafia is all about? How is that bad? Yes I took a shot at you too. You said you'd come back and post later so I didn't see the point in continuing until you had a chance to do so.. Here you are, and I'm heartened by the fact that you seem to be really digging.

I didn't say a lot about Rich or Pappy from the start because a) things make sense to me as patterns, you can't establish a pattern early on... it just doesn't work like that. and b) because how much good would it do to say "you're suspicious because you post in x manner"? then they know exactly what I'm looking at and an easily change it.

I'll be around to answer questions if anyone has any. Other than that, my position is clear.

Kicking bushes is one thing but kicking at every little thing is another. This tends to be something scum do to put names out there and see if the Town starts to bite on anything. I don't have a problem with you taking shots at me. That's how we learn in this game. I need more time and responses to questions before I can place my vote. The good thing is we should finally get some good info from this nightfall IMO.

 

[jbradt]

Round 2...

Much like JB there was not much game related posting D1...again...it was D1.



D2...congrats to the Doc.



Questioning Neph's logic...





This was in response to JB I believe...




Then poking at RB...as well as others...



Pretty well set on AAF...





Again at Neph...




Votes for AAF



I believe this was a comment to JB again in the first part...



Then this...


Pushing an innocent? Maybe I'm misreading this JPap but are you saying you know Neph is innocent. This requires some explanation IMO

Not sure what to say about this post really but felt it needed to be in here in case I'm missing something.



Good point...



Points out the wrong list...



Misread distracting...



Defending against JB...







Votes for JB...



More defending...



JPap...my biggest problem with you is the post I mention above with the innocent Neph deal. I also want to see who else you are looking at right now and why.

JB...I forgot to mention before...if you could please answer what your thoughts on Labby are right now. Or did that change?

Right now I want to lean Labby innocent. Her lack of real input is still a sticking point for me, but at this point I'm more concerned about her than actually suspicious. I don't think she could hold back this hard if she tried if evil.

 

[jbradt]

Kicking bushes is one thing but kicking at every little thing is another. This tends to be something scum do to put names out there and see if the Town starts to bite on anything. I don't have a problem with you taking shots at me. That's how we learn in this game. I need more time and responses to questions before I can place my vote. The good thing is we should finally get some good info from this nightfall IMO.

Again, I can see how you see it this way. But with the way this game went, little things were all we had. Take all the time you need. I'll explain anything you need me to.

 

[Nepherael]

On top of that I feel like we've just gone back and forth, wait more like I was coming forth and you kept backing up, with this and I haven't gotten anything out of you except assurances that you "asked plenty of questions" and that your posts were "exquisite". I'm sensing a huge amount of dissembling here.

As far as I'm concerned yours and pappy's fates are sealed. Anyone that doesn't see that is blind. I wouldn't have put it past you to have had that entire long back and forth just to draw something out to take even more focus off pap considering we accomplished almost nothing and yet made many posts. If that's true I'm wondering why you would stick your neck out so far for him. Hmm, why would another mafia member put so much effort into defusing this. Is it because I opened my mouth or is there something deeper going on here...