From what I recall of John playing evil, he tends to lump innocents w/a careless attitude like it doesn't matter who gets lynched since to him they are together.
He is also good at egging on fights. Sorry, some of the following posts may be out of order but I was working on two screens.
I have DD leaning more evil the more I think about V2K and then DD posts, the more I want to lynch DD. I will say if V2K comes up evil, I will vote DD and if DD comes up evil I will cote V2K.
If I change, I most likely will change from jpap to DD. jpap did start something about past roles and then claims it had no merit. Odd thing to start, seems to me he was trying to get others on some sort of witch hunt and was going to then step away.
Here he lumped DD and V2K together. At the time some had said perhaps DD coached V2K to come out and vote her w/out a reason. He also added that he would most likely change from JP to DD though JP seemed to start a witch hunt on Noodles and then stepped away. Note that all 3 are now known innocents.
His case against JP:
Here are some quotes from jpap,
First he asks a simple question -
She answers -
I chime in (and stir it up a little) -
Now jpap states he was wondering and interested, but it doesn't determine anything -
I chime in again, stirring it up -
Then I ask jpap basicly the same thing he asked noods -
Now, jpap who was just wondering and was interested, looks through the games she has played. After he says that it doesn't matter. Why research it and then call her a liar, if it doesn't matter? I also get an answer to my question, glad he is being "honest". -
Now jpap discovers noods had been evil before (as she claimed) -
dawg points out she was evil before (posted at the same time as jpap) -
My response to the "lying" (posted while jpap was posting) -
I note that it was 3 games ago when noods was evil -
Here jpap explains his mistake, but never really addresses the fact that he called noods a liar or why he continued to persue it if it doesn't determine anything.
I see this as a sign of jpap's evilness because he persued even after he discredited it.
This is my case on jpap. It is weak at best, but of concern to me.
He admitted to stirring things up a little. It seemed he enjoyed doing this.
Plant, you have the gift?
What are you going to do? Now it is your turn to be open and honest with the town.
After all of plantings pushing about the gifts, she has it. That is too funny.
I have a feeling she will tell the town she is not going to open it, she already made a statement saying how an innocent person would not open it. What a set up.
I have to go, it looks like it is going to be a fun morning. Be back tonight.
Here he seemed to enjoy the confusion of the present scenario and claimed I was setting Cat up.
I just want to add that I did not know the present was being sent to me when I asked about it. I just suggested to Cat that he should tell us so that the person could confirm his innocence to the town as was done in the prior game. If he had just stayed quiet about it then any of the evils could have claimed they sent the present.
On a serious note, jpap did not call noods a liar as I had posted.
My case on jpap is weak and not much of anything.
I retract my vote on jpapy789
If 3L votes, I am voting 3L, my guess is 3L will not vote unless it is right at nightfall.
Just to keep 3L from even thinking about voting:
I vote to lynch TH3RD_LEG.
I hate to waste it on someone that might UD, but I also do not want him to vote late and save himself. I think I have posted good reasons on why I suspect him. Besides him being a UD, I can't think of a reason not to vote for 3L.
Here JL retracted on JP and voted 3L because his case on JP was weak. Later JL admitted it was to save himself, something that is out of character for him.
I hate to say it, but I agree with what jpap is saying.
I also think pig has kinda calmed down. I am wondering if he was told to do so by his teamates.
I would like to see either V2K or pig be lynched.
Here JL pushed for the lynching of V2K or Pig. Since game start he had mentioned that one of the "noobs" must be evil. To me, that sounds like a witch hunt. Pig started off the game stating John was evil. I still haven't decided if that was for distancing.
Here is a thought,
Let's get it to a tie between pig and plant. With plant voting for pig.
She can open the gift and have a chance of her vote counting double or get turned.
Then we will know what gift was used.
I think plant should be more than willing at the town's request to open her gift. Cat sent it to her for a reason. I think it would be rude for her not to open it.
Here he wanted the town to vote between myself and Pig. Then he brought up the present again. Why such a hang up on me opening the present JL? You guys lost Noodles and need another scum buddy?
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Jensons, I have you as third.
If piggy is evil and plant is innocent, then I am sure you won't be third on my list anymore.
I really had a tough time figuring out a third choice. Cat had asked for three and since there are three left it made since. It is not like I am voting for you or even suggesting voting for you.
I do find plants play more and more suspect. I don't think she is an innocent power role. She could be Blitzen, but I think she is an evil elf.
Heck, you could be Blitzen or Rudolph (or even the other communicating innocent). I am pretty sure I posted that you might be a power role.
So don't be upset, it is bad for the baby.
If the evil team is Plantling, Firedancer, and piggy67, then you guys have done awesome. The hit on eddie, even though he was going to be the towns favorite lynch the next day, was very smart. It got DD lynched, without much effort. The hit on jpap was also good. I really expect you two to come on to me full steam when piggy comes up evil.
Plantlings unwillingness to vote for pig or to even trust cat for one day is good enough for me to lynch her. We also don't know how Cat even wants to vote. I will say this, if plant comes back evil, then I hope what is left of the town chases Fire down and hangs her high.
I retract my vote on piggy67 and vote to lynch plantling.
The quicker we find out about plantling the better. I know most have her as #2. Why wait? I could care less which one we lynch first. I think they both need to go.
Why are you asking about power roles, John???
And I have not said I would not work w/Cat. You threw out the vote on Piggy and they were first on Cat's list but Cat hasn't voted himself. I said we should not all just follow but should look at the thread ourselves. What good is it to the town if we all just piled up on Piggy? And you voting them is enough to make me stay away though they may very well be your sacrificial lamb so u can say u were first on them.
Yes, you could still be innocent. I don't think hanging you to find out would be too silly at all.
It would matter who was still around. Lots can change with the gifts and the coal. But there would be two less evils and two less innocent.
Why would you want to hang her if she could be innocent? Not very pro town there John. Oh, but you're on a witch hunt, nvm.
As I've said I'm willing to vote for either Dawg or John. Though now I think my case on John is a bit stronger than for Dawg. I still think its possible that they are on the same team though. I wonder if Dawg will pull off Piggy and vote me also. I wonder if Dawg would be willing to vote for John. Dawg has had John on his lists but like I've stated that is not unusual for Mafia buddies.