Mafia #51 - Mafia Citizens - The Play

ZSandmann said:
With Mad being the Hit victim it really makes Kash and Plant stand out as scum, but that also bothers me because its so obvious.

I retract my vote for Kash.

I acted too quickly, we should discuss this a bit before
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I was actually thinking that too. Mad went pretty hard after Kashta so its looks very bad for her...but then again...

there's a reverse psychology round-a-bout here, which makes it hard to decipher what went down. I tend to play by trying not to think like the scum players because its never predictable.

There's also the chance they were just fishing for a PR as Kashta was a good candidate to leave around. She really didn't need much help to be put on the block.
 
johnlarson66 said:
Some answers...


When a player that was presumed dead comes back from protection the town will be told they have returned - since they were protected, when they die, I will not reveal anything more than they were a citizen.
  1. If it was mafia protection then the one wiseguy that protected the player will know and that player will be a wiseguy, not able to communicate, but get the blackmail details from the Don.
  2. If it was rebel protection, then all of the rebels will know, plus that player will become a rebel.
  3. If it was bala protection, then only the bala will know.
For the most part, the majority of the town will not know the status of the returning player.

The protections are for lynch's. Anyone can be protected. If a wiseguy wants to protect the Don and the Don get's lynched, then a wiseguy will be promoted to Don and when the player returns, they will be a wiseguy. Now the ex-Don could have been protected by the bala, but not the rebels. The ex-Don would return as a wiseguy or a mafia citizen.

If the rebels and the wiseguy protect the same person there is no protection. If the rebels protect the Don or a wiseguy, there is no protection. There will be no double agents. No player that was a wiseguy will return as a rebel and no rebel will return as a wiseguy. They may return to their original "team" or be citizens. They will not turn. The Don, the wiseguys, and the rebels will return from protection if their own team selected them or if bala sselected them.

I hope this clears this up.

By the way, there are protections for this first lynch and I will need tomorrows protections before nightfall. If for some reason your protected player does not make it through the night, you lose that protection. (you were a day late!)

Part of me wants to tell the player they are being protected, but am unsure - I think they should know. Also there is no rule against voting for yourself.

I hope this clears this up. For the record my plan to mod a game was to keep it simple with some twists.

Speaking of twists, is that blue mist coming from the east?
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This line in bold above tells me that even if Zig was a mucs night 1 since he was protected by whomever he would have been called a citizen when he died. We really don't know if Zig is or ever was a citizen if I am reading this right. Hopefully he's a citizen.

This may be a good way for the mucs to vote for their own guy night 1 and bring him back to their team with the protection.

I need to go back and check the timeline of the votes on Zig.

**** you JL with these blackmails and protections...:D
 
Going on your theory dawgs.. What would that make Zig when he is res'd?
 
johnlarson66 said:
Final Votes


Kashta - TRS (10), Ice (96), bkw (107), Mad (108)
Maverick - Ice (44), ZS (149)
Rb - bkw (51), Coler (145)
Ice - dawg (58), Luvbugz (159)
DD - jpap (61), jbradt (131)
TRS - DD (65), Maverick (137)
cjt - ZS (101)
Mad - Zigman (123)
Dawg - Rb (160)
Zigman - plant (176), cjt (178), Coler (180), Rb (190), Kash (197)
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Here's the final votes for night 1. It still boggles my mind that Zig got 5 votes over the span of 22 posts...and out of 197 posts before nightfall. That was quick. I think someone may have known he was protected. I also find it interesting that when I stated that the votes came out of nowhere Coler pointed out that it was not his but RB's vote that came out of nowhere. RB turned out to be a citizen. I still say all 5 votes came out of nowhere. The hinting previously in the day that Zig was a suspect could have also been planned knowing that the votes for Zig would come later in the day.
 
This game is a nightmare/soap opera. The good guys get taken in the middle of the nite and the lynched dead come back to life and u don't know what their alliance is when they come back. The only clue is their lynchwagon. The lynchwagon on TRS has two names that I distrust intensely, Zsand and Kash. Anyone wanna bet if TRS will be getting his wish to play longer?
johnlarson66 said:
The results are in...


So far:

Kashta - plant (210), TRS (220), Mad (223), Dawg (276), Coler (375), Dawg (464)
TRS - ZS (235), MC (286), jpap (339), Luvbugz (348), maverick (403), DD (408), bkw1982 (422), MC (438), Kash (471)
Plant - MC (300)
Dawg - cjt (472)

No vote from:jbradt
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ZSandmann said:
Welcome back Zig, hopefully your still with us and not a newly recruited Rebel.

Red you got me man, I was positive you were scum. The only thing left to do is follow Mad's lead and see where it takes us.

I vote to lynch Kash.

We can't lose any more Citizens... especially not from our own lynching.
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For two days you have made comment after comment about it being a bad idea to vote Kash. Did you put your protection on her today or something?

Here's night 1 voting again:
Nite 1 Final Votes
Kashta - TRS (10), Ice (96), bkw (107), Mad (108)
Maverick - Ice (44), ZS (149)
Rb - bkw (51), Coler (145)
Ice - dawg (58), Luvbugz (159)
DD - jpap (61), jbradt (131)
TRS - DD (65), Maverick (137)
cjt - ZS (101)
Mad - Zigman (123)
Dawg - Rb (160)
Zigman - plant (176), cjt (178), Coler (180), Rb (190), Kash (197)

The protections had to be submitted before nitefall for the following day so since this was nite 1 I'm not sure that JL would allow either team to turn in their protection in the last hour of the day. It would be totally UNFAIR, JL if u did. And you guys would have to trust me that I know nothing about a protection on Zigman even though I was first on him so I would have to guess that Bala has brought Zigman back. Hopefully he is a Townie still.

So now we must vote who we think is most likely NOT to have been picked out by the Rebels for protection and it would be a boon if they were also a Rebel. To get discussions going as we have to start somewhere, I will place a vote on who I think fits the above description. Subject to change as we also have good pr's out there somewhere,

I vote to lynch DangerDoll.

She has very little posts, was on TRL both nights in a row, and her answers to Mad about Kashta were a bit noncommital.
 
ZSandmann said:
Welcome back Zig, hopefully your still with us and not a newly recruited Rebel.

Red you got me man, I was positive you were scum. The only thing left to do is follow Mad's lead and see where it takes us.
I vote to lynch Kash.

We can't lose any more Citizens... especially not from our own lynching.
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Ok bold text one I am leaning mor towards you being scum now. Assuming you are scum this would make sense. You hoping that Zig is not a rebel sense the rebel role is to get rid of mafia. Bold text two, even though it says Mad is a citizen that don't mean he is not mafia, a protection would make his lynch look like he was just a citizen...You say the only thing to do is follow his lead....this seems very scummy to me. Lastly you vote to lynch Kash right off the bat and later retract the vote but never really went into detail but to say you wanted to see what comes about in discussion.

ZSandmann said:
With Mad being the Hit victim it really makes Kash and Plant stand out as scum, but that also bothers me because its so obvious.

I retract my vote for Kash.

I acted too quickly, we should discuss this a bit before
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Ok next here you retract your vote only after stating that kash and plant stand out as scum...If you feel this way why retract your vote so soon? You say because it is so obvious but if so than why retract your vote?

ZSandmann said:
Kash and who are your top suspects pappy?
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Hmmm in a later post jpappy confirms you and him have the same top suspects....two scum here following mads lead?

jpappy789 said:
I was actually thinking that too. Mad went pretty hard after Kashta so its looks very bad for her...but then again...

there's a reverse psychology round-a-bout here, which makes it hard to decipher what went down. I tend to play by trying not to think like the scum players because its never predictable.

There's also the chance they were just fishing for a PR as Kashta was a good candidate to leave around. She really didn't need much help to be put on the block.
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This would confirm why mad was going so hard after kash and why you and zsand are plotting together now. Scum move all the way....seems playing under the controll of the DON. You mention reverse psychology then you mention not playing by thinking like scum any scum player would try and play like this.


Here are my thoughts up till now.
Zsand-Definatelty mafia
Jpappy-Likely scum plotting with jpapp
plant-Suspect to be mafia scum
Coler-Innocent as far as I can see.
Kashta-possible scum butinstinct tell me the mafia just wants us to think that...a blackmail move
Dawg-Always hard to tell my instinct tells me he is scum but that is not based off any real evidence.
Luvbugz-Pretty neutral, nothing that stands out through day two.
Maverick-Almost surely an innocent.
DD-Pretty quiet, but that is how she is in the games I have played.
bkw-defensive and not posting much no read for sure but instinct tells me she may be scummy.
cj-Don't really have a read on yet, not enough posts.
Zig-Back as a result of being protected not sure from who yet.

There is my list for everyone esp. you zsand sense you are wanting to know what everyones thoughts are....another reason for me to pin you as scum.
 
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