Mafia #51 - Mafia Citizens - The Play

You aren't the least bit concerned that ZSand has already stated a wish to vote out Kash today after two days of hisitation? Sounds to me like he may have put a protection on her. And he was the first vote on TRS also and I have a feeling votes were pushed that way for a reason. Don't be surprised if TRS comes back from the dead not a vanilla citizen.

I really have to go but it would definitely help me anyway if you would explain more the strategy on voting DD and also are you basically calling out ZS as mucs/likely mucs/you know, much as you can be sure of anything etc. ?
 
This game is a nightmare/soap opera. The good guys get taken in the middle of the nite and the lynched dead come back to life and u don't know what their alliance is when they come back. The only clue is their lynchwagon. The lynchwagon on TRS has two names that I distrust intensely, Zsand and Kash. Anyone wanna bet if TRS will be getting his wish to play longer?



For two days you have made comment after comment about it being a bad idea to vote Kash. Did you put your protection on her today or something?

Here's night 1 voting again:
Nite 1 Final Votes
Kashta - TRS (10), Ice (96), bkw (107), Mad (108)
Maverick - Ice (44), ZS (149)
Rb - bkw (51), Coler (145)
Ice - dawg (58), Luvbugz (159)
DD - jpap (61), jbradt (131)
TRS - DD (65), Maverick (137)
cjt - ZS (101)
Mad - Zigman (123)
Dawg - Rb (160)
Zigman - plant (176), cjt (178), Coler (180), Rb (190), Kash (197)

The protections had to be submitted before nitefall for the following day so since this was nite 1 I'm not sure that JL would allow either team to turn in their protection in the last hour of the day. It would be totally UNFAIR, JL if u did. And you guys would have to trust me that I know nothing about a protection on Zigman even though I was first on him so I would have to guess that Bala has brought Zigman back. Hopefully he is a Townie still.

So now we must vote who we think is most likely NOT to have been picked out by the Rebels for protection and it would be a boon if they were also a Rebel. To get discussions going as we have to start somewhere, I will place a vote on who I think fits the above description. Subject to change as we also have good pr's out there somewhere,

I vote to lynch DangerDoll.

She has very little posts, was on TRL both nights in a row, and her answers to Mad about Kashta were a bit noncommital.

The above bolded and red part is very odd.

1) You supposedly knew nothing about a protection on Zig, therefore not a rebel
2) Therefore you could be a citizen or a mafia member w/o protection powers
3) However you then guess that is was bala
4) If you don't know ANYTHING about the protection, why think bala? Why not the rebels or mafia?

A part of me is thinking that plant was trying to push Zig into the clear. But I am not sure, I could just be misreading this post...
 
Except mad and ice were both hit and found to be citizens...there shouldn't be any connection.

im not saying they should be connected as in working together or something of that nature. But, why did the rebels pick them out of everyone available figuring out the mucs strategy if it isn't just pulling numbers could help us figure something out about them.
 
im not saying they should be connected as in working together or something of that nature. But, why did the rebels pick them out of everyone available figuring out the mucs strategy if it isn't just pulling numbers could help us figure something out about them.

My guess is that they were either fishing for PR's or trying to get the good players out of the game or both. In playing mafia I have found that the scum players rarely try to overthink the hits by targeting players that will lead to other players getting looked at, if you catch my drift. Usually it is to get rid of players who are just good at the game...but again, I could easily be wrong, which is why I don't like thinking about it too much. :grinyes:
 
Perhaps when you have time u should look at the rules again. The protections for today's lynchings needed to have come out b4 nitefall last nite. It would be too late to leave clues on who to protect.
protection isn't for only one night, who's to say you are not offering the info form tomorrow??
 
what the hell?

This makes zero sense. first of all the mafia are the gods guys and the rebels are scum so obviously we don't want Zig to be a rebel. Therefore the don is good which you insinuate me and zs are under the control of. Problem is that the wise guys can't communicate with the don. You obviously didn't read the rules or you're just throwing complete garbage out there.

And how are me and zs suddenly working together? Apparently we have the same suspects. So what?

And my bit about reverse psych was saying that there is no point in guessing why the mucs chose mad because there are tons of reasons and it's a waste of time. I've played with this same attitude for many games now. Nothing new...
Actually I have read the rules several times, I now understand, had my take on them twisted a bit. I still feel you Zsand and plant are in some way scummy....maybe you put the protection on Mad, we wont know till tomorrows nightfall (or today), in a sense. Zsand has asked people to post a list and asked more than once who who's top suspects were...including you. Seems to me like you and him definately have some kind of team thing going on along with plant.

You aren't the least bit concerned that ZSand has already stated a wish to vote out Kash today after two days of hisitation? Sounds to me like he may have put a protection on her. And he was the first vote on TRS also and I have a feeling votes were pushed that way for a reason. Don't be surprised if TRS comes back from the dead not a vanilla citizen.
This needs to be looked at more, but where do you come in here? I think zsand is definately scum though, still not sure what your role is in it though plant.

Okie Dokie Plant, I've reread my posts and they still seem to say the same things I meant for them to say. You can see evil in anyone if you try hard enough so just keep squinting. I expect to be grilled today since, like I said yesterday, I was first on Red. But show me where Red said anything helpful for us? He accused Mods and players of cheating and communicating, and asked for them to check his PMs. And then he suddenly forgot how the game is played. I'm trying real hard to not be all OMGUSy right now but you are really making me want to drop a vote your way.
If you put a protection on TRS and voted to lynch him then it wouldnt matter because he would come back the next night, rebel scum hold that power. Now did you do that, I don't know but it does need to be addressed.

Perhaps when you have time u should look at the rules again. The protections for today's lynchings needed to have come out b4 nitefall last nite. It would be too late to leave clues on who to protect.
Very true..but it don't mean protection doesnt need to figured out before the next night?
 
The above bolded and red part is very odd.

1) You supposedly knew nothing about a protection on Zig, therefore not a rebel
2) Therefore you could be a citizen or a mafia member w/o protection powers
3) However you then guess that is was bala
4) If you don't know ANYTHING about the protection, why think bala? Why not the rebels or mafia?

A part of me is thinking that plant was trying to push Zig into the clear. But I am not sure, I could just be misreading this post...

Good point here JPap. This deserves some more looking in to.
 
MC you definitely have not read the rules well enough. Mad was HIT, protections only work for LYNCHES.

You are acting far too suspicious right now but again, I don't think JL would add you as a rebel. Not yet anyways...

And why would me and ZS, who are supposedly in cahoots with plant, name her as a top suspect? Why would we try to have any connection at all? We're better players than that, aren't we?
 
I said that Quiet players are not all Rebels. There are bad players, then there are people who play the clueless card either to conceal their role or to try and slide by without having to do much legwork and research.

Yeah Protections are in for tonight, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Rebels aren't trying to twist popular opinion to get the person lynched they protected.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the Rebels have protected the person who they suspect would be the popular lynch candidate, probably Kashta. Especially when they hit Mad who was all over her. It appears you are trying to push Kashta now after two days of hesitation on her. Seems to me you are trying to lead the town by the nose.

This makes no sense to me at all. We should pick random people to lynch in hope that they are rebels? Or not protected by the rebels? Wha?? You want us to just hand the game over to the rebels on a nice shiny silver platter? Cuz to me, this is exactly what you are doing by randomly voting hoping you hit rebel scum. I am not following your logic here at all.
We have been trying to get Rebels all along, right? Well it would be nice to nail one but at least don't get led by the nose as we did last nite into voting off someone who they most likely protected.

The above bolded and red part is very odd.

1) You supposedly knew nothing about a protection on Zig, therefore not a rebel
2) Therefore you could be a citizen or a mafia member w/o protection powers
3) However you then guess that is was bala
4) If you don't know ANYTHING about the protection, why think bala? Why not the rebels or mafia?

A part of me is thinking that plant was trying to push Zig into the clear. But I am not sure, I could just be misreading this post...
You should read that part b4 the part you bolded in red as it explained that the protections had to be submitted b4 nitefall for the following night's protection. SO any protection should have been submitted even b4 I voted for Zigman. JL should not have accepted any protections an hour b4 nitefall. Unless the Rebels or the Wiseguys had the foresight to protect Zigman which is not indicated by early voting, it must have been a Bala protection. Therefore If Zig was a citizen b4 he was lynched, he should still be a citizen. But I have no way of knowing. Only an educated guess.


And I did not quote you Coler, but yes I seriously think ZSand is a Rebel Mucs and he is trying to lead the town by it's nose. If you go back and read his posts or any of Mad's cases on Zsand you will see that he ever so slightly warned votes against Kashta. And he denied it but he ever so slightly indicated that Ice, who was on the Kashta train, might presumably not be a citizen b/c of the blue mist. And Rebels must be sharing notes because Kasha's post earlier tried to say that the four ppl we lost might not be citizens either. Whether she was serious or trying to get ppl to vote her is questionable. But for some odd reason Z is all for giving Kashta up today, right after nitefall in fact. Does that not sound suspicious to anyone?

As for voting DD, IMO she is a likely Rebel candidate. As I have said her low posting and not having much to say and her iffy stance on Kashta is very suspect. I think I have seen her much more active as an innocent townie and kinda hiding until her name is brought up when she is evil. And there is not a likely chance that the Rebels would have protected her as her name has not been tossed around much.
 
Actually I have read the rules several times, I now understand, had my take on them twisted a bit. I still feel you Zsand and plant are in some way scummy....maybe you put the protection on Mad, we wont know till tomorrows nightfall (or today), in a sense. Zsand has asked people to post a list and asked more than once who who's top suspects were...including you. Seems to me like you and him definately have some kind of team thing going on along with plant.

This needs to be looked at more, but where do you come in here? I think zsand is definately scum though, still not sure what your role is in it though plant.

If you put a protection on TRS and voted to lynch him then it wouldnt matter because he would come back the next night, rebel scum hold that power. Now did you do that, I don't know but it does need to be addressed.

Very true..but it don't mean protection doesnt need to figured out before the next night?
Me and Plant on the same team :drool: that's rich. Why do you say me and Plant are working together to me, then say you don't know what Plant is to her? And you'll have to trust me here but if I was planning to turn someone with a protection, Red would NOT be at the top of my list...
 
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