Mafia #51 - Mafia Citizens - The Play

[ZSandmann]

As someone has said a bad player does not make for an automatic Rebel. But I can see how the rebels will exploit the heck out of someones noobiness. And nah I don't have to squint to see your mucsiness, ZSand. If others would take off their blinders they might see it too.

I said that Quiet players are not all Rebels. There are bad players, then there are people who play the clueless card either to conceal their role or to try and slide by without having to do much legwork and research.

Perhaps when you have time u should look at the rules again. The protections for today's lynchings needed to have come out b4 nitefall last nite. It would be too late to leave clues on who to protect.

Yeah Protections are in for tonight, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Rebels aren't trying to twist popular opinion to get the person lynched they protected.

 

[Luvbugz]

This game is a nightmare/soap opera. The good guys get taken in the middle of the nite and the lynched dead come back to life and u don't know what their alliance is when they come back. The only clue is their lynchwagon. The lynchwagon on TRS has two names that I distrust intensely, Zsand and Kash. Anyone wanna bet if TRS will be getting his wish to play longer?



For two days you have made comment after comment about it being a bad idea to vote Kash. Did you put your protection on her today or something?

Here's night 1 voting again:
Nite 1 Final Votes
Kashta - TRS (10), Ice (96), bkw (107), Mad (108)
Maverick - Ice (44), ZS (149)
Rb - bkw (51), Coler (145)
Ice - dawg (58), Luvbugz (159)
DD - jpap (61), jbradt (131)
TRS - DD (65), Maverick (137)
cjt - ZS (101)
Mad - Zigman (123)
Dawg - Rb (160)
Zigman - plant (176), cjt (178), Coler (180), Rb (190), Kash (197)

The protections had to be submitted before nitefall for the following day so since this was nite 1 I'm not sure that JL would allow either team to turn in their protection in the last hour of the day. It would be totally UNFAIR, JL if u did. And you guys would have to trust me that I know nothing about a protection on Zigman even though I was first on him so I would have to guess that Bala has brought Zigman back. Hopefully he is a Townie still.

So now we must vote who we think is most likely NOT to have been picked out by the Rebels for protection and it would be a boon if they were also a Rebel. To get discussions going as we have to start somewhere, I will place a vote on who I think fits the above description. Subject to change as we also have good pr's out there somewhere,

I vote to lynch DangerDoll.

She has very little posts, was on TRL both nights in a row, and her answers to Mad about Kashta were a bit noncommital.

This makes no sense to me at all. We should pick random people to lynch in hope that they are rebels? Or not protected by the rebels? Wha?? You want us to just hand the game over to the rebels on a nice shiny silver platter? Cuz to me, this is exactly what you are doing by randomly voting hoping you hit rebel scum. I am not following your logic here at all.

 

[maverickbr77]

ok so just got home from work and read back on ice to see if i could find a solid link between him and mad that may help us determine something about the mucs all i see is that they both voted for Kashta albeit ice was much less vocal about it.
This makes me think that Kashta is less likely to be a muc and more likely someone they are trying to keep us focused on while they work behind the sceens to get other players taken out. I could be wrong on this and she is a sacrifical lamb that wont die any thoughts.

 

[maverickbr77]

I agree with luv's last post plants strategy doesn't make sence to me

 

[jpappy789]

Perhaps when you have time u should look at the rules again. The protections for today's lynchings needed to have come out b4 nitefall last nite. It would be too late to leave clues on who to protect.

Still, when players are in the running night after night I think the teams are going to catch on. I wouldn't be surprised if both teams tried to protect Kashta yesterday.

With all this side switching I really want to hear from Zigman. There's a 50/50 chance so we'll have to deal with him sooner or later.

As for the rest...I really can't seem to see who out of plant/Kashta/Zs is really telling the truth. Things seem to be getting really muddled.

We've lost Ice, Mad, and Jb as vanilla citizens. Zig, again, is up in the air and we don't know yet what TRS is for sure.

ok so just got home from work and read back on ice to see if i could find a solid link between him and mad that may help us determine something about the mucs all i see is that they both voted for Kashta albeit ice was much less vocal about it.
This makes me think that Kashta is less likely to be a muc and more likely someone they are trying to keep us focused on while they work behind the sceens to get other players taken out. I could be wrong on this and she is a sacrifical lamb that wont die any thoughts.

Except mad and ice were both hit and found to be citizens...there shouldn't be any connection.

 

[cjtabares]

Ok well i just read everything from after the 1st night fall. I will go over my notes and post some ideas in a little while. Sorry for loitering Zsand. And i want to apologize for not being much help to the town up till now.

 

[jpappy789]

I forgot we also lost Bob as a citizen.

 

[Coler]

Checking in - under serious pressure guys & sorry for that...usually I have at this stage put out a players list with thoughts on most people I'm afraid I really do not have the time to that right now and anyway to be honest I am totally engaged on the Plantling/Kashta thing.

Did I read Plants post right that we should lynch DD as a person who the rebels are unlikely to have protected ??? Fer crying out loud...

I'm absolutely not exonerating DD at all and I don't think, for the record, that she has contributed a whole hill of beans to the game but how can this be a good strategy for the town ?? I actually get, and got, somewhat, the people who said lynch Kashta for info, although again its not in my opinion a pro-town strategy but I could see a cause and effect sort of kind of...but lynch DD because she is probably not protected is bonkers.

Look, I'll be honest - I don't want to make a big thing out of something which is not a big thing just point me to where Plantling did not say this or the other/better explanation of the strategy.

Ironically DD makes me nervous for her lurkiness, yeah much like rbishop did, but this is the worst possible reason to vote her.

 

[Coler]

This game is a nightmare/soap opera. The good guys get taken in the middle of the nite and the lynched dead come back to life and u don't know what their alliance is when they come back. The only clue is their lynchwagon. The lynchwagon on TRS has two names that I distrust intensely, Zsand and Kash. Anyone wanna bet if TRS will be getting his wish to play longer?



For two days you have made comment after comment about it being a bad idea to vote Kash. Did you put your protection on her today or something?

Here's night 1 voting again:
Nite 1 Final Votes
Kashta - TRS (10), Ice (96), bkw (107), Mad (108)
Maverick - Ice (44), ZS (149)
Rb - bkw (51), Coler (145)
Ice - dawg (58), Luvbugz (159)
DD - jpap (61), jbradt (131)
TRS - DD (65), Maverick (137)
cjt - ZS (101)
Mad - Zigman (123)
Dawg - Rb (160)
Zigman - plant (176), cjt (178), Coler (180), Rb (190), Kash (197)

The protections had to be submitted before nitefall for the following day so since this was nite 1 I'm not sure that JL would allow either team to turn in their protection in the last hour of the day. It would be totally UNFAIR, JL if u did. And you guys would have to trust me that I know nothing about a protection on Zigman even though I was first on him so I would have to guess that Bala has brought Zigman back. Hopefully he is a Townie still.

So now we must vote who we think is most likely NOT to have been picked out by the Rebels for protection and it would be a boon if they were also a Rebel. To get discussions going as we have to start somewhere, I will place a vote on who I think fits the above description. Subject to change as we also have good pr's out there somewhere,

I vote to lynch DangerDoll.

She has very little posts, was on TRL both nights in a row, and her answers to Mad about Kashta were a bit noncommital.

I just couldn't let it lie without pulling the post...ok so there is some selling of this as a starting position and to get discussion going - that's not mental...its trying to sell the strategy of vote 'em out if they are unlikely to have rebel protect that bothers me and 'it would be a boon if they were also a rebel'....seriously :shakehead::shakehead::shakehead:

and I hate smilies.

 

[jpappy789]

I am trying to go through the Zigman protection. It was pretty evident that the votes started piling on pretty late in the game.

Night 1 Final Votes:
Kashta - TRS (10), Ice (96), bkw (107), Mad (108)
Maverick - Ice (44), ZS (149)
Rb - bkw (51), Coler (145)
Ice - dawg (58), Luvbugz (159)
DD - jpap (61), jbradt (131)
TRS - DD (65), Maverick (137)
cjt - ZS (101)
Mad - Zigman (123)
Dawg - Rb (160)
Zigman - plant (176), cjt (178), Coler (180), Rb (190), Kash (197)

All within the span of 20 or so posts, and most within the last hour before nightfall. Here are the posts...

Plant votes Zig because her top suspect (Kashta) already has enough votes and she apparently would be fine if either went. At this point Kashta had only 4 votes, with about 2.5 hours left until night and 3 people (including plant) left to vote. This has been discussed but I feel that plant's unwillingness to solidify her vote on Kashta night one is very suspicious.

Not sure if mucs would be 3rd or even 4th vote on each other day 1. I'd think they'd want to try to save them by campaigning against another player first. If it turns out Kashta is a mucs then we should look at who has been trying to turn heads another way.

Speaking of which...

Hmm in this post Zig says it is Mad's train and he is trying to get us to board it.


Now in this post when questioned about his vote Zig says Mad is simply jumping on the train and trying to get others to follow. I'm still not sure how Mad's vote is all that different from the previous votes on Kash.


To me it seems Kash cannot make up her mind about Red's vote on her. Kash's first reaction was a little harsh then she chalks it up to Ice as just a funny thing between herself and Red continued from the last game then in this last post it was a stupid random vote on her. She goes on to describe Red's voting habits from the previous game. Sounds kinda bitter to me. And it appears Kash has gone silent perhaps being instructed by her teammates to lay low.

If my vote is needed I will put it on Kash. But it appears not atm. I'm placing my vote on my 2nd highest suspect, reasons given above.

I vote to lynch Zigman

cjt votes Zig because of an odd post Zig has that he didn't answer.

I am conviced Kash is a pr but am not sure what side she is on so i will not vote for her tonight.

What dose have me worried is Zig, what dose he mean by 2 mafia teams and that there is some collaberation? Are u saying u are not on not trying to help the mafia? Are u mucs? I am going to my girlfriends house i will get back on for a little when i get there. But I vote to lynch zigman.
If i get a good reason for this statment i may change my vote.

Here coler never really gives why he picks Zig other than he doesn't want to be a loner on Bob. I think he did mention earlier about Zig not explaining the two teams comment (the reason cjt voted) but in post #185 you see him say he doesn't like who he is voting with...but he still stays on Zig.

I get the logic for kash...50/50 she is either wiseguy/power role or mucsy but I hate the people voting her lol.

I like action at nightfall too. If there is no movement for rbishop today I won't be leaving my vote on a nobody. I retract my vote to lynch Rbishop and vote to lynch Zigman. I'd be happy to vote bob if anyone wants to join me btw.

Bob's vote is the worst but we know he is a citizen

I retract my vote on Dawg...and vote to lynch Zig.....just to help Coler...

Then the debacle begins...Kash saves herself.

I know I am innocent so I'll use my vote now to save myself.

I vote to lynch The Zigman.

Plant tries to get rid of Kash in the end...or does she? No idea.

I retract my vote for zigman. I vote to lynch kash

As you can see there really are no votes that really stand out as scummy. I still find plants most suspect but seeing as we don't know who protected Zig yet (only 1/3 chance it was the rebels) there is no possible way to connect the votes with scum. Also, there is no telling whether the rebels would have pushed the vote towards who they protected anyways.

In the end, we have to be 99.9% sure Zig is a mucs before we go after him.