Mafia #51 - Mafia Citizens - The Play

[jpappy789]

Luvbugz is making me nervous. They jumped right onto plant but it's already been said that it would take a lot of foresight to get zig lynched after protecting him.

Or it could be exactly like how Z is saying and they all knew he was protected and dogpiled him at the end which would make you right in the midst of that plant. Is that why you keep trying to clear Zig's name? IS that why you changed at the end because you knew it would be too obvious? Was the whole after nightfall was called oopsie just a stint?

Right now my top suspects are Plant and Zig. Plant because she is all over the place, trying to point fingers everywhere, not making sense at times, and trying to rearrange facts to make them work for her. Zig because there is a 1:3 chance he is mucs.

Except plant was the first to vote Zig. Coler, Rb, and Kashta were really the ones to "dogpile" him.

My other thoughts are: Does anyone else find it really strange that for days Plant has been calling Kash scummy , but as soon as Z votes for her, Plant is all over him??

My thoughts are this: the case on Kashta is all based on the first and second day so why exhaust the same posts over and over? Mad and plant pulled up pretty much every post of hers so I don't see why it needs to be repeated today. At this point everyone should have at least one or two other suspects.

I still don't get why she picked DD, but I think Zs still needs watching too.

Isnt there a 1/3 chance EVERYONE is Scum/mucs?!?

I highly doubt the numbers even started even and at this point there are considerably less vanilla citizens than what we started with. So unless you know exactly how many PRs there are, I wouldn't say there is a 1/3 chance of scum.

 

[Coler]

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Rebels have protected the person who they suspect would be the popular lynch candidate, probably Kashta. Especially when they hit Mad who was all over her. It appears you are trying to push Kashta now after two days of hesitation on her. Seems to me you are trying to lead the town by the nose.


We have been trying to get Rebels all along, right? Well it would be nice to nail one but at least don't get led by the nose as we did last nite into voting off someone who they most likely protected.


You should read that part b4 the part you bolded in red as it explained that the protections had to be submitted b4 nitefall for the following night's protection. SO any protection should have been submitted even b4 I voted for Zigman. JL should not have accepted any protections an hour b4 nitefall. Unless the Rebels or the Wiseguys had the foresight to protect Zigman which is not indicated by early voting, it must have been a Bala protection. Therefore If Zig was a citizen b4 he was lynched, he should still be a citizen. But I have no way of knowing. Only an educated guess.


And I did not quote you Coler, but yes I seriously think ZSand is a Rebel Mucs and he is trying to lead the town by it's nose. If you go back and read his posts or any of Mad's cases on Zsand you will see that he ever so slightly warned votes against Kashta. And he denied it but he ever so slightly indicated that Ice, who was on the Kashta train, might presumably not be a citizen b/c of the blue mist. And Rebels must be sharing notes because Kasha's post earlier tried to say that the four ppl we lost might not be citizens either. Whether she was serious or trying to get ppl to vote her is questionable. But for some odd reason Z is all for giving Kashta up today, right after nitefall in fact. Does that not sound suspicious to anyone?

As for voting DD, IMO she is a likely Rebel candidate. As I have said her low posting and not having much to say and her iffy stance on Kashta is very suspect. I think I have seen her much more active as an innocent townie and kinda hiding until her name is brought up when she is evil. And there is not a likely chance that the Rebels would have protected her as her name has not been tossed around much.

Ok thanks for the answer plant - ZD and DD; got it.

Me and Plant on the same team :drool: that's rich. Why do you say me and Plant are working together to me, then say you don't know what Plant is to her? And you'll have to trust me here but if I was planning to turn someone with a protection, Red would NOT be at the top of my list...

Unless I am being completely played which is of course entirely possible but you gotta try and trust yourself sometimes, I don't get Plant and ZS on the same team.

Hey everyone!
Sorry I havent been participating too much, but after being stuck behind that outhouse for one nightfall, I have had a lot to catch up on..

Anyway, I am trying to make sense out of whats happening here, and am re reading the posts since the first nightfall.

oh, and when I said there were 2 mafia groups in the early threads, I was a bit confused by the mechanics of this game, I thought the mafia, and the rebels were the bad guys.. forgot that the town wanted to keep the mafia here.. so the rebels were the bad guys.. then I got sick and spent the rest of the night calling ralph on the big white procelian telephone.. But enough with that..

Welcome back (I guess sorta y'understand). Would be great to hear from you Zig.

Let's not forget that Plant did try to change her vote from Zig to Kash at the same exact time JL called night. Unless she really is psychic I'm thinking she didn't know about the protection on Zig.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the mucs are sitting back at this point and letting us take each other out. I tend to agree with Plant that if Kash is mucs she probably is protected tonight.

My previous statements about Coler's comments on his post not coming out of nowhere still has me thinking.

I vote to lynch Coler

I'll try and go back and find your stuff dawg - I was not ignoring you and eh not skimming either; I didn't think I left something unanswered but I have been a little pre-occupied in real life, and completely, perhaps too much engaged on the plantling/kashta thing.

I just can't let kash go, Mad makes such a good point, and the fact that kash wasn't hit again makes a vote for her hard to resist.





The two comments above make me think that either Z or Pappy(z more so then pappy) is a rebel. The rebels so far have played brilliant. Taking out ice and mad is a good start, if anyone is going to bust a game it's one of those two. to me that suggest a really seasoned vet, someone like z or pappy.

With Zs vote for Kash, retraction, and then pointing out how it's what the rebels want I'm really leaning him scum now.

My list of possible scum

Kash
Zsand (maybe pappy, but more so Z)

sideline-
dawg-seasoned hasnt had much attention this game
coler-same as dawg

Leaning innocent
Cj-5 post. lack of participation suggest he's just bored.

Z and pap i would like to hear your comments on Mad's above post.

I take your point bkw - I would have the same feelings (seasoned, not much if in fact any attention) about say yourself and DD.

I agree with your vote. My only problem with it (as I have already stated) is that the mucs know who each other are and can protect. If Kash is mucs then I'm almost sure she has been protected because she has been on the hot seat the entire game.

I'm genuinely not nit-picking dawg - but you are obviously voting me at the moment. I do get what you are saying about Kash being likely protected if mucs.

Luvbugz is making me nervous. They jumped right onto plant but it's already been said that it would take a lot of foresight to get zig lynched after protecting him.



Except plant was the first to vote Zig. Coler, Rb, and Kashta were really the ones to "dogpile" him.



My thoughts are this: the case on Kashta is all based on the first and second day so why exhaust the same posts over and over? Mad and plant pulled up pretty much every post of hers so I don't see why it needs to be repeated today. At this point everyone should have at least one or two other suspects.

I still don't get why she picked DD, but I think Zs still needs watching too.



I highly doubt the numbers even started even and at this point there are considerably less vanilla citizens than what we started with. So unless you know exactly how many PRs there are, I wouldn't say there is a 1/3 chance of scum.

Totally agree on the bold bit - I think I am guilty of getting sucked into this and thinking pretty much only about it.

I still like Kashta as rebel but I factor in the protection issue. I also still like Plantling as a suspect. I am now very jittery over experienced players and especially the ones who as I see it havn't posted a whole pile so that brings DD in particular into the frame (and I have been considering her as well).

I have tingley spidey senses about mostlycichlids particularly as being a late addition by the mod; I feel JL could be having some fun with us (and why not) throughout this game and it would seem strange to chuck in just another vanilla citizen.

If we are really being rolled, cjtabares could be a great suspect as they have done literally nothing and escaped all notice.

I confess to having no steer on jpappy and no steer on dawg. I lean ZS as innocent and I am embarassed to say I have not even really thought about maverick or luvbugz. Zigman is, obviously, either one of two things and needs to get reading and posting if he's going to convince us of his pro-town status.

Back later - still up to my eyes at work.

 

[Coler]

Sorry I left bkw out of my above post, not that I can add a whole hill of beans to it. Bkw is a good player who's played a lot and as he says himself 'seasoned players' who havn't attracted attention inherently should be looked at as the game goes on but that's the height of what I could say about him. I don't have him pinned as rebel or as a good suspect for any objective reason based on his postings.

 

[Coler]

ok so hang on this protection thing in fact seems to be a bust [yah skimmy coler just caught and read tail end of pappys post properly].

 

[Luvbugz]

Luvbugz is making me nervous. They jumped right onto plant but it's already been said that it would take a lot of foresight to get zig lynched after protecting him.



Except plant was the first to vote Zig. Coler, Rb, and Kashta were really the ones to "dogpile" him.



My thoughts are this: the case on Kashta is all based on the first and second day so why exhaust the same posts over and over? Mad and plant pulled up pretty much every post of hers so I don't see why it needs to be repeated today. At this point everyone should have at least one or two other suspects.

I still don't get why she picked DD, but I think Zs still needs watching too.



I highly doubt the numbers even started even and at this point there are considerably less vanilla citizens than what we started with. So unless you know exactly how many PRs there are, I wouldn't say there is a 1/3 chance of scum.

I was trying to get some sorta conversation started. Pretty much everyone went quiet. Plant hasn't even responded to my posting. Voting is all over the place. I think it is 2 for Kash, 1 for DD, and 1 for Coler if I am right?

You, Jpap said Plant and Kash were your top suspects. Z points out the fact that Plant could have known Zig was protected which is why she voted for him in the first place. Not to mention yesterday she makes a case for a whole different person, but votes the complete opposite way. This theory actually looked plausible to me, so I went with it trying to get some input, but now I am suscipious?? I think the mucs have completely turned us against one another. They are probably sitting back laughing while we fight amongst ourselves. How many citizens have we lost??

 

[Kashta]

It's been a long night... I've definitely been reading too much of this, particularly about me. Good grief.. Kashta this.. and Kashta that.. I'd better stop soon or even I'll be referring to myself in the third person.

ok so just got home from work and read back on ice to see if i could find a solid link between him and mad that may help us determine something about the mucs all i see is that they both voted for Kashta albeit ice was much less vocal about it.
This makes me think that Kashta is less likely to be a muc and more likely someone they are trying to keep us focused on while they work behind the sceens to get other players taken out. I could be wrong on this and she is a sacrifical lamb that wont die any thoughts.

Don't know much at all about Ice, Maverick, but there were a few similarities between him and Mad throughout the first day. What Mad was doing to me was the same thing we set up intentionally the last game. He came after me real strong before much was happening yet. We were scumbuddies working together then and the reason we did it was to distance ourselves.

I wondered what he was up to this time when he started doing the same thing again. Then I saw Ice toss an early lynch vote at you around the same time which he retracted right away. Ice (innocent we now know) used that to as a ploy to gauge reactions... both from you and from all the others. Mad (also innocent) used a similar tactic on me for the same reason.... to see what he could flush out from everyone. TRS got into this then and so did everyone else. So Mad went with it. And he pushed it even harder to see which way people would go with it. It was rather interesting watch that.

 

[dirtydawg10]

I figured that Ice and mad are good players to get rid of and Kashta has been leading votes at some time every day so why not just leave her around? I guess you make a good point about wanting to get rid of a PR but I really don't know to be honest...



Thats what I was thinking.


I'm pretty sure the rebels cannot protect each other...
yep.

Wow! How did I miss that :jaw:
OK...I retract my vote for Coler and I vote to lynch Kash

I just have to know!!!

 

[Kashta]

Still, when players are in the running night after night I think the teams are going to catch on. I wouldn't be surprised if both teams tried to protect Kashta yesterday.

With all this side switching I really want to hear from Zigman. There's a 50/50 chance so we'll have to deal with him sooner or later.

As for the rest...I really can't seem to see who out of plant/Kashta/Zs is really telling the truth. Things seem to be getting really muddled.

We've lost Ice, Mad, and Jb as vanilla citizens. Zig, again, is up in the air and we don't know yet what TRS is for sure.

At first I doubted both would be doing that, but given the fact it's done 2 days ahead of time, who knows? The way this has gone, it wouldn't be much of a surprise... at least one team or the other. I wouldn't put anything past JL either the way he likes using that blue mist so much.. like this game doesn't have enough slips and turns already built in?

Zigman puzzles me alot because we have the least to go on in his case... hope he's feeling well and will be joining us in the thread today.

 

[maverickbr77]

I am still unconvinced on Kashta being a rebel i think that they picked up on the early nonsence attack on her and used it as cover keeping all of our attention on her continued to attack her and hit players who where after her in order to take out pro town players behind the scenes

i would be more suspicious of the people who have kept her the foremost suspect im just trying to decide if it is the more vocal people or the people who have done it more subtly while still directing us after someone else im going to go back and look at it again i should have a vote or at least more to consider soon

 

[plantling]

Or it could be exactly like how Z is saying and they all knew he was protected and dogpiled him at the end which would make you right in the midst of that plant. Is that why you keep trying to clear Zig's name? IS that why you changed at the end because you knew it would be too obvious? Was the whole after nightfall was called oopsie just a stint?

Right now my top suspects are Plant and Zig. Plant because she is all over the place, trying to point fingers everywhere, not making sense at times, and trying to rearrange facts to make them work for her. Zig because there is a 1:3 chance he is mucs.

Thank you for thinking I have the powers that be to dogpile on Zig all by myself. But if you'd read my posts I have stated why I think it was Bala protection that brought Zig back. Also are you suggesting that since I was the first voter on Zig I was psychic enough to know there was going to be a dogpile or do u think the others on Zig are my cohorts? That would include CJ, Coler, RB (who is beyond a doubt an innocent townie if u didn't realize), and Kashta. Who if any or all of those besides RB do you suspect are my underlings?

My other thoughts are: Does anyone else find it really strange that for days Plant has been calling Kash scummy , but as soon as Z votes for her, Plant is all over him??

Again if you had read my posts properly you would why I had concerns on voting Kashta today. With all the hype around her Rebel protection may have been placed on her. Speaking of which there needs to be a rule clarification on by the Mod.

Also all the while Plant is slinging stuff at Z, she still has a vote on DD??? Wha??

Pay attention and you will see why I voted DD but if it turns out Rebels cannot protect each other then any of my suspects I am willing to vote on.

I found this on day one. Concidence?? Or not?? Thoughts??

Thanks again for credit, tho I don't know what for???But am I not correct with that post about if Bala brought someone back there'd be heat on them as the Rebels will all know they didn't protect him and the wiseguys will also not be sure one of their own protected them.

I figured that Ice and mad are good players to get rid of and Kashta has been leading votes at some time every day so why not just leave her around? I guess you make a good point about wanting to get rid of a PR but I really don't know to be honest...



Thats what I was thinking.


I'm pretty sure the rebels cannot protect each other...
yep.

I tend to agree that if the Rebels had a genuine hunch that someone could be a townie PR they would not hesitate to put a hit on them. It was clear TRS was going to get voted out and not Kashta. The Rebels could have had a two for one which included a Townie PR. So IMO the theory that Kashta is a Townie PR doesn't wash.

And I think we need clarification from JL on who can and cannot be protected...