Mafia #6.....The Play

[mee-mee]

Ehhh OK but you never voted for Mad?

I just did that to amuse them...It was in day 2 I voted for them...

Wow, something just jumped out at me about plantling's post, the part about KOTD being Swayde's boss. My first reaction was, why the heck would the snitch name the Don, out of all the mafia players? Then I remembered the "Don will appear innocent" rule. That would actually be a good ploy for the mafia. If they list the Don and 3 innocents, and we manage to get the Don on the first try, the result would come back as innocent, and (presumably to the mafia) we would continue down the list going through the other innocents (assuming there is only one mafia on the list, and this idea would support that theory). Jeez the more I think about it, the more this snitch list is seeming like more trouble than help. Its a thought anyway, anyone have comments about this?

Also, mad has been seeming more and more innocent to me. I really was worried about him on the first day/night cycle but as things progressed I've backed off him. I really hope he's not pulling an Ice and turning everyone around to back him. But, based on recent posts, mee-mee's defensiveness has kind of peaked my interest. KOTD has been too quiet for me to get anything, and plantling has been pretty quiet as well but recent posts don't scream mafia to me.

For one thing Sploke, go read all of my posts and you show me where I got defensive...hhhmmm, and compare my defensiveness with these posts and game 4 to when I WAS A MAFIA, every other post in game 4, I proclaimed to be innocent...but not here, All I said was I am not Mafia, how is that being defensive....and then maybe I will believe you that I am Mafia...NOT...I am seeing red flags with you know....

 

[mee-mee]

Maybe I should go review all of sploke's posts and see if there is anything there....hhhmmm.....maybe I will find something on him....

 

[Sploke]

Please do, if you find anything doubtful I'd like a chance to explain it for everyone.

 

[Sploke]

Fair enough mee-mee. I went back and looked at your posts (quite easy since you so thoughtfully organized them all into one post) and you were nowhere near as defensive about things as I was thinking. I saw a few other people had mentioned it, and maybe since you were on the snitch list it made it easier to go along with. In any case, going back to look again, I was off base. With so much doubt going around its easy to get caught up.

 

[Sploke]

Gah! going back and reading mad's analysis of your posting, some of it makes sense though. Its a good mafia tactic to go along with a high profile player's (coler) voting, especially with the disclaimer "i'm just doing it cause you are, if i'm wrong its your fault". It didn't catch my eye before, but since I've started leaning more toward innocent with Mad, your name creeps up.

Lets not forget about Ice though, although I think this morning he posted that he wasn't going to be around today. He was my vote on day one and still hasn't been cleared in my mind. Dunno if anyone has anything to say about this at the moment.

 

[mee-mee]

And it isn't me either...so I guess we go with Plantling and King...I can honestly say, King could very well be the Don, he is playing like when he was Don in game 4...and Plantling, I will go back and read all of the threads she posted and see if I can see anything in them...

I have seen all of King's posts and they repeat the pattern in game 4...:lipssealedsmilie:

The first 5 words is all I said, how does someone get defensiveness out of that...

I wasn't put on anyone's list at all, where do you find this list of the snitch's...



and remember this...
FOR THE FIRST 6 DAY/NIGHTS, THE DON WILL SHOW AS AN INNOCENT ON ANY INVESTIGATION OR UPON LYNCHING.

and if the Vig would have hit any of them it would have stated it..

Just read the first sentence, not sounding defensive to myself...just a simple question...and I had forgot the storyline...I was actually looking for the list of the snitch...and I actually wrote down everyone's lists to see if any of them matched...thinking the Snitch made a list like the rest of us did...

 

[Sploke]

See my above posts. I do admit you were not as defensive as I thought, but what mad posted does make some sense to me.

 

[OgreMkV]

You are the one who changed your tune voting for Mad after defending him so much in the past. And so, my vote stays on Mad, if you want to vote for me because you truly think I am mafia than so be it, vote for me.

This is starting to tick me off. Why won't you read what I write? Don't try to read between the lines, I'm not subtle. I never defended Madcrawdad.

I asked everyone for the evidence against him. You have never complied. Ice has never complied. No one has ever complied with my request... except recently with charlie (who was never voting for mad).

That's one major reason that I think he's mafia. And you and Ice. You vote, but no one will answer a simple question. I even posted all Mad's posts and no-one followed up... not you... not Ice. And that's a reason for clumping the three of you in mafia.

Go ahead and form a lynch train. You'll be done tomorrow.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Here's a list of all of Plantling's posts to date. Unless you see my comments above a quote in blue, I really find nothing interesting about that post.

I think the snitch would work if he were only to do it two or three times.
And he could as likely repeat a Mafia name as he could a townie he doesn't like. Just a thought.

Jumping on DP and MND for claiming innocence so early in the game.

OOPS! Sorry. And go back and read Mafia 4 those of you proclaiming innocence already.

It's quite early in the game yet to be sure who's who, but I am also thinking along the lines that some "planted" episodes have occurred.

I'm keeping an open mind as night doesn't fall until Tuesday morning. I would like to hear from all players before I cast my vote. I agree that we need to keep looking and not just concentrate on one or two Mafia candidates. There are 7 of them, afterall.

Now suspicious of DP and MND for their exchange regading Mike's claim that DP PMed him.

Hmmmm. That remark about the pm between Mike and DP surely has me wondering also. Maybe they'd care to shed more light on it by tomorrow. For now, it's bedtime. Goodnight all.

Asks MND if DP really PMed him....Mike says 'No'.

So Mike, you really got a pm from DP just right after ya'll posted and before RB declared "Game ON"?

Clears MND as an overly eager newbie

OK, had to go fix and have lunch, but here are my thoughts on Mike:

a) He is an overly eager newbie Mafia and gave himself and DP away.
b) He is an overly eager newbie innocent trying to dig out Mafia in an admittedly sneaky and underhanded way.
c) He is an overly eager Mafia trying to frame an innocent

My initial thought was a. And with the mysterious silence of DP for so long, I'm not too sure of c.

So a or b, Mike has made himself a good lynching candidate for the townsfolk and the mafia alike. And I would like to believe b, but that remark about saving a known Mafia for last doesn't make sense. The only good Mafia is a dead one, imo. But on the chance that Mike is just an overly eager innocent, I am waiting to see if DP has any better explainations for avoiding the thread for so long.

LOL, BKW

C'mon Judge, Where are you?

And does anyone else think DP is playing weirdly? I've only played Mafia3 with him and he was lynched first night, I think, so not sure if he's usually this quiet.

I remember now. You were trying your best to get the town to lynch Coler and GGfish, who were Mafia, but no one wanted to out Coler even though he was investigated and found out by J2R. Hilarious. Well I never minded the role playing.

Votes to lynch DP, and defends MND again.

I vote to lynch Dwarf Puffer

I don't believe Mike is Mafia. Although his overzealousness has rubbed pple the wrong way I think he was trying to help find Mafia. And perhaps he did as after his infamous pm post, DP fell silent for awhile. It looks like Mike is getting lynched with a landslide of votes, so if he proves innocent tomorrow then we need to go after the pple who kept gunning for him today because they are most likely Mafia. And if Mike proves to be Mafia, then you'll have my apologies, DP.

Coler is hit, and Plantling thinks we need to look at Coler's list again.

OK folks this is one of Coler's last posts. I fear the Mafia is quite good this time around and haven't been able to get a strong read on anyone. Unless someone has bigger and brighter ideas, I'd say we start taking Coler's list very seriously.

What do you think of Coler's list, Sploke?

Now has suspicions about Madcrawdad, because I called Coler 'Protector of Mafia.'

The thing that concerns me about Mad is he was up pretty late digging his last post up about Coler being the protector of Mafia. Is he so concerned about the snitch because he's Mafia or a concerned townie? And Ogre throwing a lynch vote on Ice concerns me a bit, too. Although I'm a little suspicious of Ice, myself. I hope the detective checked one of these guys out or at least someone on Coler's list.

Well, I'll be at the dentist's office today, so may not be able to post again until late afternoon.

So Mike, you think Coler might have been the Don? A possibility, but I'm not seeing it.

RB, am I reading this correct? For the first 6 days/nights of the game, the Don will be shown as an innocent even if killed? And if so, will this be revealed after the first 6 days/nights?

Coler was just an innocent as stated by RB. The only other possibility is the Don, which I do not buy.

Madcrawdad now on her list of candidates for lynching.

My list of Mafia suspects in no particular order:

Dwarf Puffer-Seemed so eager to play, proclaims innocence then disappeared off of game thread for a long while after Mike's PM post.

Swayde-Trying to appear as a townie, but revenge votes JL. Very quick to draw attention from herself. Very quick to get on the Judge bandwagon. Did not cast a final vote.

Madcrawdad-Made a late post about Coler being the protector of Mafia, more displeased with Mike for being the alleged snitch than the average townie. I know this is weak but he's also Coler's top pick and I don't think Coler is the Don.



And Swayde, I'm glad I was on your top 5, but it just goes to show how far you're willing to stretch to make others seem suspicious. Really, when I posted Coler's list, his last post was just 8 posts previous, so I figured pple would remember that far back in their readings. And I did say it was one of Coler's last posts. And incidentally, according to DP's ghost, the post I quoted (#406) was the one he was "haunting." Could it be that you want to draw attention away from that post 'cause you're on it?

Exactly one hour later, I'm removed from Plantling's list of lynch candidates

I'm not completely sold on the guilt of Mad or Mike. I'm tempted to vote Swayde for not responding to anyone's accusations. Just going into hiding seems like she's given up because she's been found out. But I don't want to waste my vote, so I'll wait and maybe tomorrow will bring more responses and clues.

Here she agrees with me that Swayde and I shouldn't be on people's lists together, as it was likely my vote and attack of Swayde that put her on people's lists to begin with. If you think Swayde is mafia, Madcrawdad probably isn't. Plantling then votes for Swayde. Keep in mind now that it's day 2, and Mike and Mad are the only game in town. The mafia really wants me gone, and IMO a vote for anyone OTHER than Mike was a vote for Madcrawdad. People can vote for who they like, but keep in mind that later on in the game, Plantling makes a comment something like 'Madcrawdad is very good at digging out mafia'.

So, if you think that I'm innocent and you think Mike is innocent AND you think I'm good at digging out mafia and that Mike is a stumbling newbie, why not intervene and pitch a vote for Mike to keep Madcrawdad in the game? The onesie votes here and there, could have killed me. She claims she would change her vote if it looked like the vote would be wasted, but she never did.

I agree that the doctor should rethink saving pple from lynches. Much as I don't think Mike is Mafia, it would have been nice to know for sure. And knowing one way or another gives us more clues to go on.

And Mad, what you said was bugging me when I made my list also. Swayde sounded a little like I did at the beginning of Mafia3, trying to appear innocent with the goldfishies and all. I'm keeping my eye on you and DP, but for now I vote to lynch Swayde. I do hate changing votes around, but I will if it seems my vote will go wasted and there is a better candidate in mind.

If folks remember, MND threatened to make an offer the town couldn't refuse late in the day. Here Plantling urges him to do so earlier...'Do it now, Mike. You want to have plenty of time for Mad to be lynched.'

Mike, If you have something important to say do it soon, not at 4 'cause night falls at 8. You want pple to have as much time to react as possible if it's something important.

Here she reacts to Mike's offer, with skepticism. But says, 'Go ahead Mike, build a case for Madcrawdad...Hurry, there's not much time. In the meantime I'm going to maybe look through the thread again to find something, too.' Huh? I thought she cleared me already.

Mike, Ice only has one or two votes. I don't forsee that he will get the several votes needed to get him even close to you and Mad. So essentially you are pitting yourself against Mad and your offer is to have RB create a demise for you along with Mad if Mad is lynched and innocent? Are you that sure Mad is Mafia? If so, help build a case against him. Help others see what you're seeing. I may go back and reread some threads myself.

I think the Mafia are playing it very smart this game. I think as Ogre suggested there are two teams, but I think they're both vocal if not equally so. I think the teams have been instructed to openly attack one another. This would explain why everyone's lists are so flip-flopped. I think we should look out for those who cast doubt and shadow on others yet do not vote the way they have been preaching. With so many Mafia, they can afford to squabble but in the end, they will throw their votes on an innocent on the chopping block. This way they control the lynchings and the nighttime hits, outing two innocents each night. Others to look out for are the late vote switchers and those who don't even vote. No voting means no liability on their part. Does anyone have any similar thoughts? I'm thinking we townies need to share as many of our suspicions and thoughts as possible, even silly thoughts or the Mafia will own this town.

Mike, when I was lynched in Mafia 3, it was a little unnerving also, but I had to keep a stiff upper lip and go with it. It seemed like the longest day and there was a time or two when I just wanted to give up, but for my fellow players, I stayed until the end and became plant food. I did manage to get in a few jabs at Mad, who was then breathing down my neck and I did enjoy baiting him a bit. No hard feelings Mad. And for what it's worth I thought you had some entertaining game play.

Wow, come back from dinner to find out I'm on the snitch's list. It's true I haven't posted a whole lot, but I do when I have something useful to say. I must have said something for the Mafia to want me on the chopping block. I'm guessing because I never joined in on their Mike bandwagon as I believed him to be innocent. Or what I really think is because I voted for DP the first night and he's also on my Mafia suspect list. And he hasn't quit like he's led us to believe so I'm inclined to believe even more that he is Mafia. My vote will probably be on DP unless something unforseen happens. Now back to review who I could have teed off.

Here she kind of points to King as the mafia candidate on the snitch's list, but plans to vote DP. That's fine, I'm also a little hesitant to quickly pull the trigger on those named by the snitch.

After reviewing my posts I can see how DP would not be too happy with me for scrutinizing how he reacted to Mike's PM post. When it seemed pple had forgotten and were busy gunning for Mike, I kept bringing DP's name up. I was also the first to post Coler's list after his death and insisted that he couldn't be the Don when it was suggested that he may have been the Don. Perhaps at least one of these things displeased the Mafia. For sure though, at least one of the names on the snitch's list is Mafia. At first I had my suspicions about Mad but lately he seems to be more helpful to the town and this post to Mike after he quit just doesn't ring of Mafiaism:


So either Mad is not Mafia or he's a very good actor.

And Mee-Mee doesn't post a whole lot, but I believe she's busy outside this game and has defended herself in a recent post.

That leaves KOTD who has also said he's gonna be busy, but I noticed him on the thread while I was trying to decide who to vote for on night 1. It took me a little while as I wasn't gonna vote for Mike and DP didn't seem to have anyone else voting for him besides Mike so I was second-guessing myself about DP. And I realize sometimes it's hard to vote, but not voting isn't gonna help the town. And KOTD didn't vote. So out of the 4, I would have to pick him. But I think I'll vote DP tomorrow if he's the best lynch candidate.

Votes to lynch DP

I'm very comfortable voting for DP, at this point also. That's at least the second time he has expressed disinterest in this game. And only Mafia would be so careless as to not have read 1000 posts. It slaps in the face to think that I stayed up a lot later than usual to try and make heads and tails of everything. My head is still swimming, but I'm going with my gut instinct on someone who's been on my radar all along. I vote to lynch Dwarf Puffer.

Unless a good case can be made for a more prominent Mafia member, my vote will stay.

Here's the quote I referenced earlier where Planting says I'm good at digging up mafia....Once again, if Plantling is a townie and she thinks I'm innocent, why let me get lynched over Mike? Also accuses KOTD of being Don at this point.

So Swayde casts suspicions on plantling again. And throws in mee-mee while she's at it. Nice try. Really, couldn't townies be independent and connected also? I highly doubt the snitch would name 2-3 Mafia as you're suggesting Mad is Mafia also. Why not even name KOTD while you're at it? 'Cause he's your boss, maybe? And as for me voting for you, you were my best pick from my Mafia list as I explained at the time. You went and hid after accusations were thrown at you. And I wasn't gonna jump on the Mike bandwagon as I've believed him to be innocent since day 1. Nor was I convinced of Mad's guilt. I've felt for awhile now that the Mafia is gunning for him. Mad's very good at digging up Mafia, so I can see why the Mafia would want him gone. But I think they prefer to have him lynched so they won't have to use a hit on him and so they can blame an innocent once he's proven innocent and his allegations towards any Mafia will be less plausible. It's possible I'm being played like a flute, but I doubt it.

OH, Swade, I'm female also.

That's pretty much it, folks. My case for Plantling involves that she said that I was innocent and Mike was innocent. She also said that I was a good mafia hunter and Mike was a bumbling newbie. She knew that a vote for Swayde on Day 2 was indirectly a vote for Madcrawdad, and could have easily sent me packing, yet never removed her vote from Swayde.

So I've made my cases for Mee-mee, KOTD, and Plantling. Which one's mafia? I'm not sure. I encourage others to dig as well.

 

[Madcrawdad]

the parts in red are what i found to be suspicious. it suggests to me you are the only one of your mates in any trouble. if the snitch were for the town you'd all be sunk. who are you refering to when you say we'd be sunk? ogre?
dwarf?

Chas, only you could get two plus two to equal five. Take a look a the original post, it directly quotes JL66's question... the 'we' refers to people on the snitch's list. Nice try though.

You seem to do a lot of running here, then there, and back over here again. I do hope you're wearing protective headgear with all of the jumping around you do.