Mafia 61: The Gunslinger - Game Thread

Dawg.. this is sloppy work on your part. You are misrepresenting the names I listed. Is that deliberate? Or just an error on your part?

You need to go back and read the original posts one more time.

1. Ice posted a list of players he felt were "dangerous" to the mafia. He left off 4 people... Agassizii, Annie, Lab_Rat, and RazzleFish.

2. We've agreed that Ice was chosen as GS first BECAUSE he's dangerous to the mafia. When I saw his list of names I thought any one of those people were likely the mafia's second choice if they hadn't picked Ice. So if Ice shot one of those people.. he would be doing exactly what the mafia was hoping he would do. I didn't like that notion... so I looked at an alternative suggestion.

3. All 4 of those names were not my suspect list... as you are trying to claim now. I said ONE of the people on that list was probably mafia. I was hoping Ice (and the rest of us) might be able to identify at least one scummy player from among those 4 people. Then if Ice shot one of them and killed a mafia player... we'd still be left with all the others who are potentially dangerous to the mafia side (excluding those who turned out to be mafia themselves, of course).

Here are both of these the posts to restore the accurate context of that list... Ice's post first, followed by my response to Ice.

In this post, Ice is naming the people he considered most dangerous to the mafia side.



Here.. I posted the 4 names Ice left out.



As it turned out, I was right. There was at least one person on the list who was mafia..... Annie. Ice didn't shoot one of the people he considered most dangerous to the mafia.. and he didn't die by hitting an innocent.

The advice I came up with to offer may not have had anything to do with his decision to shoot Annie at all.. but it was still sound advice and turned out to be correct as well.

So I'm the sloppy one? I know quite well what your post said. Here...let me quote it again for you...

This is a good point, Ice. And since we figure the mafia picked you as the first gunslinger because they feel you're dangerous to them.... you'd likely make the mafia very happy if you target somebody else YOU consider dangerous when taking your shot. For that reason, I'd rather see you shoot someone not on the list you just gave us... that leaves these names then as promising suspects for at least one mafia position on their team.

Agassizii
Annie
Lab_Rat
RazzleFish

Even if it's a miss and we lose you in the game as a result, at least you're not putting another good mafia hunter into the next risky gunslinger position so soon.

These are people you wanted Ice to shoot...in your own words, Kash. I don't care how you came to that conclusion the bottom line is you asked Ice to shoot them.
 
Yes it does. Go back to my posts.. if Annie wasn't my strongest suspect, who was?

I did look at your posts. As I have already pointed out it was a bunch of wishy washy crap. I think Annie is bad...but he might be good...but when I played with him he acted bad when he was really good...

As I said before it's a bunch of non-committal junk to distance yourself from everyone's suspect on night one.
 
Quick question for everyone

All I want is a 1 word answer. No x or y.

If I misfired and shot you who would be your 1st target. Lets pretend you had to shoot ASAP.

Kash
 
So your reasoning for choosing Annie was because Ice shot him and he came up as mafia? That almost makes sense :headshake2:

You have nothing but these apparent "hunches". Can you show me posts where Z, Zaffy, and Annie are/were scummy? It defeats the purpose now with Annie since Jb has already done the work. Annie was on a lot of lists so saying that you were correct so therefore you shouldn't be called out is absolutely ridiculous. Did you make a case for Annie? Did you even interact with Annie? No, you said that out of the newer players he stood out more. Way to be specific, Dawg.

I've yet to see you pull posts on anyone you found to be suspicious other than your first post, until now when I called you out. By the way, YOU interpreted my posts incorrectly. I was speaking hypothetically therefore I'm scummy? Funny how you said nothing when I cleared things up but now all of a sudden its suspicious.

By the way, the list you pulled was from before he answered my questions. I butted heads with Annie after he responded because his reasoning was downright scummy. I wasn't going to downright say Annie was scum when he had yet to clear up what we were discussing. And my list is garbage? LOL. My list was made based on ACTUAL OBSERVATIONS. Where did your list come from? Oh thats right, some theory on how Mad made the team but nothing other than that and some gut feelings. You never once gave any specific reasoning as to why you chose who you did. I wont tell you why you should choose who you did...that is YOUR job as an innocent. With holding that information does not help at all and its rather scummy but it looked exactly like a mafiasco pulling together a BS list without reading into the game at all. So was Annie the only teammate on that list, or was there another?

So what if my list didnt contain you, Z, or Kash...why the hell would that matter? 1) you had barely said a word at that point 2) I still dont find Z scummy 3) Kash didnt catch my eye until the whole "no list" thing which was after my list.

You're trying to connect me and Kash based on our similar thinking on Annie. Funny that we are somehow on the same team with Annie because we have the same suspect and were noncommittal about it...wait Dawg, what did you say about Annie again? Oh thats right, something about how he stood out more. Wow, way to pull the trigger and shoot...to use your own words. I also remember a post of mine, fairly early I might add, where I specifically mentioned that Annie would be a great first choice to shoot strategically. Hows that for pulling the trigger?

Continue reaching Dawg.



Sorry, you are correct. Z asked the question as to why you were chosen.



I'm confused...I dont remember a game where I ever went after Kash hard and/or vice versa.

It doesn't much matter because Ice already knows who he can trust. I'm guessing it's not you and Kash.

But for clarity here's the post when Ice asked for a list...

Interesting read today.

I have problems with some of the stratagies but I'm going to save my comment.

I'm going to ask another question instead.

If you had to name 4 mafia players right now who would they be?

And then the next post is my list with Annie at the top.

My first guess at 4 mafia:

Annie
Zaffy
Kash
Z/JPap

ok so I picked 5. But since I put them both on the same line it counts as 1 right. If I was forced to pick between Z and JPap right now I'd flip a coin.

I have already explained that of the newer players Annie was acting the scummiest to me. Let's just wait and see who Ice shoots.
 
So I'm the sloppy one? I know quite well what your post said. Here...let me quote it again for you...



These are people you wanted Ice to shoot...in your own words, Kash. I don't care how you came to that conclusion the bottom line is you asked Ice to shoot them.

THEM, Dawg? Wrong again.

Bold it... color it.... enlarge it, Dawg... it comes down to exactly what I said: for Ice to consider shooting 1 name on that list... NOT all 4 of them.

YOU introduced that list to imply something else altogether. YOU dug up the list and took the purpose behind it out of context. YOU made it sound like all 4 of those names were my suspect list. YOU correlated that list to something else Pappy posted... trying to imply those 4 names were both of our suspects. YOU are the one trying too frigging hard to link me and Pappy with Annie as scummates. And YOU are totally wrong.

That's misrepresenting what I posted because YOU are trying to make people (or just Ice) think I'm mafia.

Truth is, Ice did shoot one of those names... and he nailed Annie.

You insist on trying villify me in this game, for what... being right about Annie? Or for being right with my suggestion that maybe Ice should not take the first shot at one of the people best equipped to go after the mafia?

That makes no sense Dawg... not from a townie, it doesn't.
 
Thats alright Dawg...you were saved by the bell because its not worth pushing anymore. Funny though that you still insist that you putting Annie "at the top of the list" has any merit at all...

No one needs to save me. I'm fine. Even if I'm wrong and Ice does hit me I know I'll still be in the game to take you and Kash out next. Is that why you two are freaking out?

As far as Annie being on my list goes...I'm saying mine was the first list posted is all. Think whatever you would like about that.
 
I'm ready to take a shot.

Might shock some,others probably have seen it coming.

I don't like this persons list, seems very non committal. Also they seem to be on the lower end of posting almost hiding.
 
Wait. Not sure I want the risk factor yet. Maybe I should go with someone I'm more certain of being mafia.



But then again, I love to take risks.


Should I go with almost certain or somewhat almost certain?
 
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