Mafia 61: The Gunslinger - Game Thread

[IceH2O]

Yeah I could shoot Kash but for some reason I can't. I'm not really feeling it though her posts scream it.

I feel TRS and Z are the last 2 though Kash could replace one of them, maybe Z. Maybe I'll shoot Z if I don't feel like taking the risk. I really would love to go 4 for 4.

But I'll give everyone a chance to tell me who I should shoot or why I shouldn't.

 

[The Red Severum]

Agassizii - No idea. Not helping, not hurting as far as I know.
Dawg - The suspicious thing about him is that nothing stands out, Normally he's a bigger player I think.
JB - Big help against annie on night one, a hero. See below.
Jpap - I could go either way on Jpap right now.
Kash - Shes clever, gotta watch her. Leaning town right now though.
Lab_Rat - Nothing jumps out, fewer posts than me?
RazzleFish - I dunno the deal with Razzle. Could go either way.
TRS - Not a big poster, playing his cards close, but he always does.
Z - Weird timing on a post imo, might be tinfoil, might be swamp gas from venus, might be scum. I could see shooting him.

I wonder about a Zsand and JB link, Zsand is pretty sure that JB is vanilla. He makes some good points. But if the scum team knew Annie was making a target of himself JB's post is a great distancing tool with Zsands support even better.

My mafia team is Zsand, JB, Anyone, Annie.

I think zaffys list is important here. his top suspect is zsandman, he tried to keep going of Z and to keep the heat off of him. I bet he is was trying to get ice to hit sand because that would be a better trade off then having ice lead. Which is why I think you shouldnt shoot Z, and thats why i think he is innocent.

 

[dirtydawg10]

If you went 4 for 4 that would be sweet!! I wouldn't put it past TRS to list JB as a "shoot now" (with absolutely no reasoning behind it) and then to list Z as not setting off his radar when Z is his teammate.

I know this is bad but I'd rather be wrong about Kash then wrong about TRS. If Kash turns up innocent she will have a better thought out rationale to find scum. If TRS turns up innocent I don't trust him as GS as much as Kash.

 

[dirtydawg10]

I think zaffys list is important here. his top suspect is zsandman, he tried to keep going of Z and to keep the heat off of him. I bet he is was trying to get ice to hit sand because that would be a better trade off then having ice lead. Which is why I think you shouldnt shoot Z, and thats why i think he is innocent.

OK but you haven't mentioned why JB should be shot.

 

[IceH2O]

I think zaffys list is important here. his top suspect is zsandman, he tried to keep going of Z and to keep the heat off of him. I bet he is was trying to get ice to hit sand because that would be a better trade off then having ice lead. Which is why I think you shouldnt shoot Z, and thats why i think he is innocent.

JB is Zaffys other suspect so using your logic JB is also innocent.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Okay so be it, Ice. I have my own targets now. Take your best shot(s).

Here's another post I previously read quickly and now it seems glaring. Why do you taunt the gunslinger? Why would you taunt someone who is on your team into shooting you? Wouldn't you say something like...well that's your choice Ice but unfortunately you will be taking yourself out of the game. Instead you act like you're not on his team and tell him to take his best shot. This is something that someone says when they are arguing with somone on an opposite team. I think it is very telling...among many other posts which are telling.

 

[ZSandmann]

2009 BCS National Champs Baby!!!!!

I being of sound mind aim and shoot Zaffy

Yay Ice! I knew Zaffy was playing off kilter, and the RL issues only solidified for me that they had to have a PR. I don't think I could have shot them based on just that though so much kudos.

One thing, if I'm wrong about Zaffy.

I trust Dawg and JB. They both have thought along the same lines as I have.

So Zaffy if you are innocent I'd look at Kash or Jpap as they are my next shots. If they are innocent then at least still have 2 players that have some sense about them.

I agree with JB but I am not sure about Dawg. If you were only going to choose between Kash and Pappy I'd go Kash because everyone always suspects her and to know her role might move things along. That said I don't persoanlly like either for the next shot.

Should I shoot or do you guys want this game to last a little longer?

Lets put this up to a vote and I'll finish them off tomorrow I guess.


My next 2 shots are Jpap and Kash.

Either post agree or disagree.

If you disagree then give me your 2 top suspects since there are only 2 left.

Kash and Jpap,if you guys want to concede thats cool too.

Disagree, low posters are running the Mafia this game. Razz and Lab?

jpappy789 45
Kashta 43
ZSandmann 38
IceH2O 37
dirtydawg10 35
jbradt 30

RazzleFish 12
AnniesNotOK 12
Zaffy 11
Lab_Rat 9
Agassizii 8
The Red Severum 8

Look at the disparity in posts. We better hope that both remaining mafia are top posters because finding the last one(s) is going to be a crapshoot unless we get some more participation.

This shows my point, earlier I suggested there was likely one loud MAfia and three quiet. Now I wonder if they aren't all on the low end. Which makes for a boring game to be honest. Razz groups right in with our two known Mafia, I could see LAb as the last. If the fourth is "loud" then Dawg is the only one I could really point to. Not that I have anything solid there, its just process of elimination.

So I tried going through Z's posts...but I just dont know. I'm going to try and see if I can get on the same page here...

One thing that caught my eye is that Z hasn't really attempted to grill anyone or really dig deep. He posts a lot about this being a difficult or different format, and I agree, but it seems he isn't putting his best foot forward and is trying to make more excuses than anything. I see a lot of posts but not much substance...one might call his posts fluffy (past mafia reference for those who dont know). He cleared two people (Kash and JB) but hasnt made a case, as far as I know, against anyone. He really hasnt tried to rub anyone the wrong way this round. His suspects so far have been Agass/Lab/TRS (for low posting), Razz (for low posting and not giving reasons), and Zaffy (for not posting like normal). Not much there that anyone could potentially disagree with...

I guess I get where the suspicions might be coming from now. Its possible that the very style that is now suspect was working and I wasnt paying enough attention to him to see it. I remember that in the specific game where Z was caught for gliding through the game and being fluffy I had him as an innocent.

I'll be honest, I don't like the format. Its different and that's nice but there is no accountability without votes. Also since you don't have to defend your votes its a low posting game by default. Some people seem to have rolled with the new format, I'm struggling with it. I like lots of posts, I like lists, votes, and retractions. In otherwords, evidence. All we have in this game is someones "style" and whatever lists Ice can encourage people to post.

A girl goes to a BCS party and misses out on a huge play...awesome job Sheriff Ice!

I will post my two suspects since you asked. I'll probably need change from my $0.02 as Zaffy didn't register as scummy to me.

I still think there is something off with Zsand. Nothing he has posted has changed my suspicion about him being mafia scum. He does "seem" to be pro-town, but from what I can tell he doesn't seem to have really brought out any mafia scum.

Razz also seems off, most posts are fluffy and lack insight. Is he trying to avoid Ice's sights?

Though you didn't ask for a possible third, I'll lay one out that no one else has really mentioned. Agassizii has been extremely quiet. I haven't seen him contribute much, certainly haven't noticed anything that would help the town. I could see him being coached to stay quiet and lay low.

I realize my list has changed, I can't decide about jb or jpap, but I wanted to throw those others out for consideration (especially Agassizii). I know I'm not a high poster and I'm sure some mafia goon will try to turn this on me, but I am trying to help the town as much as possible without causing confusion. Please take my list with a grain of salt, right now I have no sure feelings.

This really makes Lab stand out to me. I know my role, and I know I suspect Razz as Mafia. Then she throws out Agass as a last minute consideration. This is the kind of list where Mafia had one of their own to distance and try to push a few Innocents in case they are taken out. BAsed on this list I see Lab and Razz as teammates.

List:
Razz
Lab
(Dawg) - if wrong about one of the above.

 

[dirtydawg10]

I decided to put all of the lists from day 1 in 1 post for easy access. Maybe we can get more info from this. Confirmed Mafia are highlighted in red and I took out everything but the names so it doesn't take up so much space.

Annie
Zaffy
Kash
Z/JPap

JB
AGass
Lab
Razz

Annie
Lab
Razz
Zaffy/JB

Lab_Rat
Zaffy
Zsand
Jpap

Razz
Annie
Lab
Z

Kash
Jpap
Lab
JB/Zaffy

Annie
Jbradt/Dawg
Jpappy/Zsand

JB
Zsand
Annie
Dawg

JB
Jpap
RazzleFish
TRS

Annie
JB
Jpap
Kash

Kash
Jpap
JB
Z

...And a revised list from JB later in the day...

Annie
Lab
Zsand
Jpap

No list from TRS and not really a list for Kash but she did have Annie and then listed some other names of who she wanted to look at.

Out of 12 players (8 innocent) 7 people listed Annie...Ice didn't have Annie but ultimately ended up shooting Annie and we know Ice is innocent and Annie was scum.

2 people listed 2 mafia in their lists myself and JPap. This knocks JPap down on my suspect list for sure. JB listed Zaffy in his first list then took Zaffy out and put Annie in. Zaffy had Annie and Annie had Zaffy on their lists. It's interesting to see it all in one place.

 

[dirtydawg10]

4 people had Kash on their list one of whom was Annie.
7 people had JPap one of whom was Annie
6 people had Z one of whom was Zaffy

 

[dirtydawg10]

and here's TRS's first list after Ice took his shot...

Kash
Jpap/jbrady
lab