Mafia 62- The Play

[johnlarson66]

Ok, fair enough. My comments on Alex were meant to help the town, but obviously people have not taken it that way. I personally like to know a players style (typically active, likes to lie low, etc) so I extrapolated that with the assumption that those of you who hadn't played with him would like to know that about him. I still don't see why that is seen as a suspicious move, but so be it.

I'm innocent, I'm trying to help the town, and I really wish more people would weigh in. I'd really like to hear from others before making my vote, but I'm going to have to vote before my meeting at 3pm CST in case I don't get out before nightfall (not likely but could happen).

Well this changes my thoughts on Lab_Rat. They say they are innocent and trying to help the town. Who can argue with that. Lab_Rat has to be innocent.

I retract my vote on Lab_Rat.

 

[johnlarson66]

NOT!

I vote to lynch Lab_Rat.

 

[johnlarson66]

No one has anything more to say???

Ok, I'll go ahead and vote so I don't UD, but if people speak up before nightfall and I get back in time I may very well change my vote. Right now all I'm going on is gut feeling.

I vote to lynch jpappy.

Seems to me you went from your low poster idea and switched it to the highest poster.

More and more I like my vote on Lab_Rat.

 

[IceH2O]

I retract my vote for Dangerdoll and vote to lynch Labby I think that ties it up again but not sure if my tracking is correct. (work has been crazy)
Not sure my vote will stay there til nightfall but I feel pretty good about it right now. She has proven herself to be a pretty good player and able to pull the wool over even vets eyes. At this point I am not willing to take the chance.....I will do my best to sneak on here in an hour or so and try to put up a list altho one it is pretty flimsy.......

I retract my vote for Dangerdoll and vote to lynch Labby I think that ties it up again but not sure if my tracking is correct. (work has been crazy)
Not sure my vote will stay there til nightfall but I feel pretty good about it right now. She has proven herself to be a pretty good player and able to pull the wool over even vets eyes. At this point I am not willing to take the chance.....I will do my best to sneak on here in an hour or so and try to put up a list altho one it is pretty flimsy.......

You have been active, that does not mean you are a townie. I agree that my vote is largely based on how well you have played the past couple of games but the comments made about Alex and then your vote for him are a bit fishy.

Wow Noods. You are willing to vote off a possible townie because she fooled the town last game? If she has proven herself to be a good player doesn't that make her an asset to the town also?

I think you'll be tomorrows vote.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Ok, fair enough. My comments on Alex were meant to help the town, but obviously people have not taken it that way. I personally like to know a players style (typically active, likes to lie low, etc) so I extrapolated that with the assumption that those of you who hadn't played with him would like to know that about him. I still don't see why that is seen as a suspicious move, but so be it.

I'm innocent, I'm trying to help the town, and I really wish more people would weigh in. I'd really like to hear from others before making my vote, but I'm going to have to vote before my meeting at 3pm CST in case I don't get out before nightfall (not likely but could happen).

To the statement in bold above...

...telling us about Alex's style of play is not scummy but voting for him because he is playing the way you say he always does is scummy. Then retracting your vote because of the pressure is equally scummy. Then changing your whole philosophy and voting for the highest poster is scummy again. Since my vote for Noods was more to get her talking than anything else and the above statements have caused me to doubt LR even further then I already did...

I retract my vote for Noods and vote to lynch Lab Rat

 

[johnlarson66]

Wow Noods. You are willing to vote off a possible townie because she fooled the town last game? If she has proven herself to be a good player doesn't that make her an asset to the town also?

I think you'll be tomorrows vote.

I am not sure who your vote is even on today.

If Lab_Rat comes up innocent, then I can see why noods or anyone voting for Lab_Rat might be a good suspect (including myself).

If Lab_Rat comes up mafia, will Noods still be tomorrows vote?

Besides claiming your own innocence, now you are claiming Lab_Rat's innocence?

I will give you this much Ice, you have switched up your play style.

 

[noodles62]

Wow Noods. You are willing to vote off a possible townie because she fooled the town last game? If she has proven herself to be a good player doesn't that make her an asset to the town also?

I think you'll be tomorrows vote.

You conveniently overlooked the later part of my post. apparently you are so certain that you are not voting for a possible townie, right? Man, you are good to be sooo certain on day one.

I voted for what I found to be the most fishy at this early point in the game. Isn't that what most do, especially on day one? Unless of course you are on a comm. team and know for certain that is.........

 

[Kashta]

Ice gets killed off fast in a lot of games.. that's nothing new. But his decided self-interest this time is a marked departure from his usual playing style. The Ice I'm used to seeing doesn't worry about getting killed and he goes after mafia (or townies) without much regard to his own self-preservation. Innocent townie or mafia, Ice is a contributing player. So either side suffers a loss whenever Ice gets hit or lynched early in the game. But Ice is well accustomed to this... as are his teammates (be they townie or scum).

My feeling here is maybe Ice doesn't have a lot of faith in his mafia teammates this game and he's pulling all this "poor-me" stuff on us because he's worried about how well his team will fare without him in the game. That........ plus his (stated) belief that we'll scrutinize his town loyalty much stronger if he doesn't get hit by the mafia right away...... another worry he may have if he's mafia and stays alive for no other explicable reason than he's not going to hit himself.

So, a simple solution (strategy) to that just might be to run a little interference... a preemptive move on Ice's part to draw hit protection from the Doctor (if possible)... which protects a mafia player (himself) instead of a real mafia hit target (someone innocent)... and this explains away his reason for not getting hit early.... so the town won't suspect and/or lynch him for that. How very convenient this would be... more so for the mafia than the town, I'd say.

Of all the posts so far, this concerns me the most right now. I've watched Ice's play in these games very closely and there's just something wrong here. Are you losing your edge, Ice? Or just finding new ways to play us this time around?

So how do I play this game...

Pretty sure no matter what I'm out early. Either the mafia will hit me or the town will lynch me for not being hit.

I guess I'll take solace in knowing if the town waits out the mafia I'm at least a speed bump in the mafias plan.

This next post is fine.. seems to be helping the town along and the voting was mostly random at the time.

JL isn't someone you figure out. He is one you need to use your gut on. He is very crafty in not giving away his role or tying himself in with other mafia if he is one of them.


I vote to lynch Zaffy

Until he explains how he ran the random number gen, did he include his name also?
Also for voting Dawg based on a generator but pointing a finger at Kash for blocking access to the site at his work. Voting one way and pointing at another is sure scum tell, right Zaffy?

Seeing some of these posts, I figured Ice was over his melodramatic funk and getting into the game like normal... making good points and so on.

Not only the 1st switch but this is the 2nd time he has posted that Alex is usually quiet.

I retract my bogus vote on Zaffy and vote to lynch Agi.


I don't know why a random vote would be switched just because that player showed up. Was it not random Agi? Was your vote going to actually stay on Razz if they didn't show up? Your vote was placed right after Rich said something about random votes so I'm assuming it was random.

Here, Ice starts out in game mode again. But then what happens? He's trying to cut the town a "deal?" .... oh jeez, don't lynch me right away. Let me live longer and I'll help the town.. I promise.. okay??? Holy crap, Ice. If that isn't a scum-leaning proposition, I'm not sure I'd know what would be.

Was going to be my question also.

I noticed I put 2 players as one in my post back there. I said Agi said something Alex was quiet twice when in fact it was Agi and Lab that said it.





Ok...so I've been thinking. I think the towns best option with me is to make me a pocket mafia. Don't follow my lead, take everything I say with a grain of salt. If we get down to only needing 1 or 2 mafia players to kill then take me out.

To put the mafia on edge I'm going to come out and say the Dr should protect me. This way if the mafia try to hit me and fail everyone knows I'm innocent. The Dr doesn't really need to protect me though because the mafia won't know if I'm protected or not.

.....to put the mafia on edge? LMAO. Ice, bargaining is beneath you. Seriously.

JL I thought you said you read the last game.

If you had picked out 3 mafia in a row with nothing more then lists and gut feelings wouldn't you feel a little out in the open?

All I'm asking is that you let the mafia waste a night by hitting me and don't help them by lynching me and if we're lucky the Dr will be protecting me the night they try to hit me so the entire town will know I am innocent.If it gets later into the game and I'm not proven innocent yet then take me out. Why would anyone be against that unless they are afraid I'll find them out?

Red text -- Out in the open, hmm... that wasn't the first game where you showed your value to the team you're on, Ice. And most vet players here who've watched you play agree that you're still wrong as often as you're right. I believe it was Dawg who pointed this out before. Mafia teams often decide not to kill you because you end up helping them when you're innocent.

Blue text -- You do make this part "sound" logical, but it's pitiful. I'm not buying into this.

Green text -- Afraid Ice? No, not anymore. As mafia, I wouldn't jump to hit you right off the bat anymore (or make you 1st gunslinger). I favored that idea in my 2nd game when our scum team leader Coler suggested it... (both you and Mad).

I noticed Ice was just here posting again when I started this, so I've added his latest post here too. He makes good points here.

Wow Noods. You are willing to vote off a possible townie because she fooled the town last game? If she has proven herself to be a good player doesn't that make her an asset to the town also?

I think you'll be tomorrows vote.

Nevertheless...

I vote to lynch Ice.

I think Ice is up to something... um... nefarious. His lack of posting (atypical), his focus on staying alive over others in the game, and his pleading tone concerns me.

 

[IceH2O]

I am not sure who your vote is even on today.

If Lab_Rat comes up innocent, then I can see why noods or anyone voting for Lab_Rat might be a good suspect (including myself).

If Lab_Rat comes up mafia, will Noods still be tomorrows vote?

Besides claiming your own innocence, now you are claiming Lab_Rat's innocence?

I will give you this much Ice, you have switched up your play style.

If Lab comes up mafia it doesn't mean anyone on Lab is innocent. You've shown yourself that voting off a team mate even on night 1 isn't out of the realm of possibilities.Z and I did it a few games back accidentally before you guys started doing it on purpose.

You must have skimmed to miss my vote.

You conveniently overlooked the later part of my post. apparently you are so certain that you are not voting for a possible townie, right? Man, you are good to be sooo certain on day one.

I voted for what I found to be the most fishy at this early point in the game. Isn't that what most do, especially on day one? Unless of course you are on a comm. team and know for certain that is.........

I didn't overlook anything. You said a large part of the reason was because she outplayed Vets. That means a small part is because of the comments. If it was the other way around I'd agree with you and not call you on it.


I see a case for Lab, not what you guys are pointing out but I can see a lot of finger pointing by her which I never like on Day 1. How can you put so much suspicion on so many people after 1 day? It just adds to the confusion.





I don't understand why the Don gets 3 days of free invests when the mafia lose nothing from his death.Pretty much give the game to the mafia as the 1st 3 invests need to be invested again to make sure 1 wasn't the Don.
So the Detective needs to invest players he thinks might be the Dr so they can communicate.

 

[IceH2O]

Good case and all good points Kash. Just wrong answer to the analysis.

I'm not pleading as much as I'm trying to make the mafia wonder if the Dr will believe me and protect me or not.This way they either don't hit me and the Det can safely investigate me ( Day 4 or later) or hit me while under protection so the Det doesn't need to waste an invest to see I'm innocent.