Mafia 62- The Play

[IceH2O]

I have not recieved a PM stating as much.

Dawg-0- Zaffy(#28)
Rich-0- ZS(#42)
Alex-0- Lab(#45)
Kash-0- Rich(#46)
Lab-3- JB(#47), JL(#139), Noods(#150), JL(#162), Dawg(#165)
Razz-0- Ag(#48)
Ice-0- Jpap(#53), Kash(#168)
Zaffy-0- Ice(#55)
JL-1- Mich(#57), Ag(#67)
Noods-0- Dawg(#66)
Ag-7- Ice(#70), Razz(#71), ZS(#147), Jpap(#157), Rich(#181), Kash(#200), DD(#203)
DD-0- Noods(#78)
Jpap-4- Zaffy(#109), Labby(#155), JB(#158), Ag(#189)

No vote from Alex.

I don't really see leading the most either.

Lab 3

Agi 4

Jpap 3

It was 4:45 when Dawg put his vote on Lab. When exactly should Ag have spoken up and said he was the Det? 5 votes still floating around that could have landed anywhere. The last 3 votes on him came in the last 45 minutes till night. He was actually tied with Jpap up until Rich placed his vote.

 

[rich311k]

I do not know if I would have pulled off AG if he came out or not. I very well might have. I would have voted for labby if I did.

I don't think pap laid any traps yesterday for Ag and I dont think he is scum.

I don't like that LR voted pap right away. I think she was hoping there would be a train right away and she would be able to hide and get a townie.

Dawg always is on my list. This game very much so, just does not ring true.

Ice seems to be playing like his usual self today and I agree the DR should not come out. I dont like that it even came up.

Noods, and Zsand are making me a bit nervous. We shall see.

Zaffy seems to be helping out.

DD has said less than she usually does and not real substance of any kind. She is on the list.

JL is beating bushes, and right now I will say for the good. That could change and he seems to play the same no matter what he is.

JB is really out their looking for things to go on. Right now it seems to me in a very pro town way.

If I missed anyone it is because they made no impression on me. Our new comer made one weird statement and a vote I think. He also tried to change votes during night fall. Quite odd but it is his first game.

 

[jpappy789]

I feel like there are enough people voting for Lab to make it a "town decision" so I feel comfortable going with the rest of the townies (Hopefully) and vote to lynch Lab.

If you look back, Lab was and is at the top of my list. She has proved herself to be a very good player and may be doing it again this game.

I'll admit that I didn't get a chance to look back at your list yet but it seems that you suspect Lab because of last game?

I do not know if I would have pulled off AG if he came out or not. I very well might have. I would have voted for labby if I did.

I don't think pap laid any traps yesterday for Ag and I dont think he is scum.

I don't like that LR voted pap right away. I think she was hoping there would be a train right away and she would be able to hide and get a townie.

Dawg always is on my list. This game very much so, just does not ring true.

Ice seems to be playing like his usual self today and I agree the DR should not come out. I dont like that it even came up.

Noods, and Zsand are making me a bit nervous. We shall see.

Zaffy seems to be helping out.

DD has said less than she usually does and not real substance of any kind. She is on the list.

JL is beating bushes, and right now I will say for the good. That could change and he seems to play the same no matter what he is.

JB is really out their looking for things to go on. Right now it seems to me in a very pro town way.

If I missed anyone it is because they made no impression on me. Our new comer made one weird statement and a vote I think. He also tried to change votes during night fall. Quite odd but it is his first game.

Seems like a typical, vague list from Rich...but could you possibly outline your suspects more bluntly? I have a feeling yours are Lab, Noods, Z, Dawg, and DD but there's no distinction between who you actually suspect and who you are just looking at. I know that this isn't all that out of the ordinary for you, but I remember catching you in the past for being noncommittal and its something I always keep an eye out for.

The whole doctor thing seems to be a big misunderstanding since in neither cases did I see anyone want the Dr to reveal their role. Not sure why it suddenly became an issue in the first place.

 

[jbradt]

The whole doctor thing seems to be a big misunderstanding since in neither cases did I see anyone want the Dr to reveal their role. Not sure why it suddenly became an issue in the first place.

I agree with this whole heartedly. With as big an issue as this became, I think someone got into it purposely.

Have to go back and try to get caught up...

 

[jbradt]

ok, all skimmed up to date.


this sounds weird. can't see why someone would be trying so hard to be in the game if they're innocent.... so I am thinking you are saying unless you are mafia, you aren't going to give two craps if you are grilled... hmmm... interesting take.

one, I am always suspicious of paps anyway. I wasn't "blaming Pap" for my vote, I thought it was important to note that he was dead on Ag in the first place. However, the more I think about that thought, if Paps is mafia, he wouldn't have known any roles on day 1 due to the lack of investigations.... I am not clear on if the mafia even gets investigations but he wouldn't have known anyone's roles





I will say again, there really isn't sufficient evidence on Paps which is why I would be hesitant to vote him. If anything, to keep directing anyone down this path of thought is scummy to say the least. Did I miss somewhere, where it said Mafia has rights to investigate?


and still you push.

My highest suspicions would have to go to Lab, with my next going to Ice. Ice because he is a good player and dangerous if Mafia because of how good he plays. I would say JL for the same reason. Ice, again, I would be most because of his interest in Kash and since he is such a good player, why wouldnt he be on Kash and then hit her in the same day. He would probably depend on the thought that everyone knows he wouldn't set himself up so badly...

My standard suspicions would be on Noods and Paps. Only because I always suspect them and make it a practice to look after them....

and Mich..... I don't buy the newbcard on him/her. That statement he/she made was pretty twisted.

If I were to vote now, my vote would go to Lab....

I know you said you skimmed, DD; but how did you totally miss the post I made directly to you? I'm still interested to hear your thoughts. :thumbsup:

 

[jbradt]

My suspects at this point:

DD
Jpap
Noods
Mich

 

[jbradt]

This was me totally being OMGUSy.



I did not miss it Ice, but it wasn't something that really stuck out to me until I was thinking about it more. I just wanted to bring it back up in case one of my fellow townies missed it. Also, it was not me who brought odds into the last game, that was JB. He was trying to use it against both Zaffy and me.



Yes, I am feeling better about your posting. You're one of the ones I'm leaning towards trusting. I hope it's not misplaced. Your second point is quite true as well.



When I said I'd bet my fish that 2/3 of Noods, Dawg, and JL were mafia, I was mainly focused on Noods and Dawg. Noods odd behavior, not committing at all to anything, downplaying her change in posting habits, repeated claims of busyness (which could very well be true, I've got a ton to do as well but this is GREAT procrastination and I love to procrastinate) all tell me something is off. My reasons for suspecting Dawg were his early interactions/distancing from Noods, her distancing response, and then how he jumped in with JL and Noods to build a case against me. It was an excellent opportunity for him to do so if he's mafia as he knows I am innocent. So if I'm wrong, what fish do you want me to send you? Choices are CA, SA, Vics, Malawi, or Tang cichlids, or various community fish. But I'm pretty darn confident I won't have to send you any...

A couple thoughts about this post. Jpap, I would like to know what the difference is between the bolded phrase above and anyone else saying "I'm leaning soandso innocent". You stated that she said she trusted me. This is not what she said at all. For someone who's been so hung up on semantics, you seem to have twisted what Labby said and ran with your own version. This seems to be the same thing you did with Ag, and we know how that turned out. Again, this could be just a misguided pittbull of a townie, but it seems odd.

I'm agreeing with you because I trust you more than most of the others. Why is that disconcerting? I gave you the list of my top innocent choices.

The reason that it's so disconcerting is because you're a top suspect with a lot of townies. And because I can see the reasons why. To me though, the trigger hasn't been pulled yet.

Odd wording here...so are you saying that you agree with Jb just because you trust him? Would you not have to agree with the logic he used first? :screwy:

I'm getting some feelings of deja vu here...its weird that you're cuddling up to Jb after one night because you "trust" him. As far as I can tell he's been helpful as of late but that means nothing to me.

You also have listed...

Zaffy- because he agrees with you and no scummy feelings
Zsand- because no scummy feelings

The fist thought that pops into my head is that you are trying to align yourself with other innocents. What about Razz, Rich, Michwol, or DD? I haven't seen you mention those people as potential scum but you don't seem to trust them.

Let me get this straight Papster... the fact that I've been helpful means nothing to you? Is that right? I thought I had something crazy in my eye. Can you explain -like I was a 5 year old- WTF you mean by this?

I am not suddenly agreeing with JB, I kicked around in the bushes at him when he was not posting much. Many things he has posted since then seem pro town and not scummy. I know he said it concerned him that I agreed with him (would have to be just plain dumb to not see the truth in what he said) though it shouldn't concern him as I'll show innocent when lynched.

Stupid phone won't let me do multiquote and format it properly so I'll have to answer everything in a separate post.

I've got to go back and look at Labby's posts again. It's not easy for me to say this after being chumped last time, but I really don't see the case against her, and several people seem to be making it. I'm going to have to go back and look at this.

I'm not comfortable with people who go so far as to say they trust certain players on Day 2.

Again, Jpap; this isn't what was said. It's interesting to me that you have been so concerned with the way people are phrasing things, but you seem to interpreting this one your own way. At least from how I read what she said.

Oh, and for all of you who are going to say I'm defending Labby: :headshake2: and shame on you for thinking I'd be so simple.

 

[jbradt]

I thought I'd take a look at Noods. (Nice to have ya back Noods :thumbsup. The first thing I noticed was that her post count was looooow. But, again, I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt. I haven't pulled every post, just the ones of signifigance (IMO)...

well thanks dawg! FYI - I was sick all day yesterday and had not been on the forum at all. This morning I checked before I hopped in the shower before work and noted the game had started. That is all but feel free to read into anything you wish, Lawd knows many of you will! LOL

Anyway, it is good to play another game. Seems like forever since I played. (altho I did have the new Stephen King novel to keep me occupied) :dance:
Need to read over the thread thus far, as I had minimal time to think about at work today, and see who is stringing a line of BS on day one.

Seems like standard day 1 banter. And since her first post was at 4:19a, I'm willing to go with her excuse of seeing it in the morning.

well, I s'pose I will go ahead and vote my uselss day one vote before i get on with my own evening.
I vote to lynch Dangerdoll, because I can and it feels good to type! This is subject to change as obviously a lone is useless, but then again it is nite one, so who knows what may or may not present itself.

Boy, how do they pack all that fluff into one little bag?

Then again....some of the others have piqued my interest as I stated earlier...I must go shower and think. hhhhhmmmmm, wish I had not quit drinking beer. I miss the way it helped me think!

Noods, I know you know this, but not saying who you're looking at is not helpful... at least not to us townies. It almost seems like you posted this just to post.

I retract my vote for Dangerdoll and vote to lynch Labby I think that ties it up again but not sure if my tracking is correct. (work has been crazy)
Not sure my vote will stay there til nightfall but I feel pretty good about it right now. She has proven herself to be a pretty good player and able to pull the wool over even vets eyes. At this point I am not willing to take the chance.....I will do my best to sneak on here in an hour or so and try to put up a list altho one it is pretty flimsy.......

I think Ice pointed it out earlier. Someone being a good player isn't a reason to vote them out.

You have been active, that does not mean you are a townie. I agree that my vote is largely based on how well you have played the past couple of games but the comments made about Alex and then your vote for him are a bit fishy. As for Rich, no, not suspicious, yet. the banter between Ag and JP seems pretty typical for JP. He finds something to pick at and keeps picking away until he is satisfied. (eeewww, wonder if he picked his scabs as a kid!) LOL

I'm not seeing much related to this game here noods. That worries me.

the rest in no particular order:

Ice, I got nothin yet except that he seems resigned to the fact hat he will be hit or lynched early.

Kash, pretty quiet thus far but it is day one..

Zaffy, no read
DD, evil to the core! (JK, I have no idea)
Dawg, no read
JL, no read
Zsand - suspicious as we have not had a "question" yet and it is almost the end of day one!

JB, creeping up on the meter, but this could also be residual from him killing off Santa! :angryfire:

Razz, no read yet.

Obviously, day one has me pretty baffled and right now my vote sits where I feel it is best. This certainly may change as the daylight fades........

oops, forgot the new kid on the block...:huh:
think that is everyone.

Wow, I'll sleep sound tonight knowing that sheriff Noods is on the case. She has no read on most everyone, and seems totally unwilling to commit to anything. That seems a little uncharacteristic to me.

You conveniently overlooked the later part of my post. apparently you are so certain that you are not voting for a possible townie, right? Man, you are good to be sooo certain on day one.

I voted for what I found to be the most fishy at this early point in the game. Isn't that what most do, especially on day one? Unless of course you are on a comm. team and know for certain that is.........

defense

:rofl: it took you how many games to note there is something "off" with me?
:silly: sorry, I have been reading stephen king lately and it seems to warp my sense of humor! any other SK fans here?

fluff

LMAO! I am not blaming Stephen King! (the man is god-like and has no faults) I said I always post a bit 'off' and am usually supsect. I excused my current wicked sense of humor on being into a SK novel. It is day 1 for crying in the mud. excuuuuuuuse me for not having any solid suspects that move you down the list. Me distance form Dawg? ok, I never trust Dawg and not seeing any distancing going on. There are quite a few players on you and not seeing how it comes down to me and dawg. looks like you may be safe tonite anyway so chil. I fully expect to be in the hot seat tomorrow which is ok. been there - done that.

And Z - Under the Dome was excellent. Not quite on the same level as The Stand but excellent none the less! :silly:

Now, I need to finish cleaning up the mess in the kitchen and hit the shower...........

defensive and fluff? defluff? :raspberry:

you are kinda stinky right now, but I need to reread and rethink this mess over.....GAH!

Noods to Jpap after Ag came back innocent

:thud:....I must think....and sleep...........and dream of beer! :cheers:

more fluff? coming right up!

ok, before I go for the night, I am going to go with my initial instinct and vote to lynch LabRat..............

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I find it amusing that I am suspect to a few of you because I referenced SK. I was not making excuses for my play style, merely my sense of humor. (I guess this is lost on non SK fans)
I do not feel it necessary to quote the posts in fact it would be a waste of my time.

I was preoccupied last night as things were a bit hectic around the house and the earlier nightfall is altho, welcomed, it is out of the norm and right in the middle of my busy evening. needless to say, work has been hectic so I have not had the luxury of being able to play much "on the clock". regardless, I will do my best to step it up today and make sure my head is in the game........but whatever. i dont feel i have to justify my play style of sense of humor but i guess i just did LOL! there you have it. be back a little later with my thoughts on things/players as it stands now. Losing 3 innocents (& the detective) really sucks..........

wow, yet more fluff?

Well, to start with I retract my vote for Labby. While I am not taking her off of my list, I need to look deeper and at other players before I place a vote. My vote last night was a bit of a knee jerk reaction.

(and Lab, as far as my "posting style/count"-if you recall the other game we played together it was also noted that I was quieter then usual and I was innocent so not sure how that is indicative of anything)

As for Dawg and I distancing, I am not seeing that at all. I have no idea what Dawg's role is so I dont need to distance from him. if you are referring to his joke vote to get me talking, that is really grasping at straws!

DD is extremely quiet this time, Could be real life issues with her too but still no real input; I am also surprised that she was not Jpap's day one vote. I think that is extremely out of the ordinary! Could be something to look into further.
The way Jpap seemed to set up Ag is discerning to say the least. I know there were others that obviously found Ag suspicious but JP could not seem to let up.....

I had hoped to get all the way thru the list but I will have to continue this later. I have to go pay bills on my lunch break. ugh!
(Payday - in one hand, out the other!):cry:

This is more like the Noods I was expecting.

ok, I had hoped to have more time to devote today, but it is not working out except for checking in sporadically. I still think that Labby is not on the up and up. The latest pleas dig even deeper IMO.

I keep saying it, but in this game you're dang'd if you do and dang'd if you don't. Ag got crap for not defending himself, now Labby's getting crap for defending herself. LOL... no wonder we're not very good at picking out bad guys...

Jpap, the banter and cornering with Ag last night was really suspect but I am proned to believe that he is a better player then that; so waiting on that one....

Ice, I agree that he had been playing "off" but at the moment am willing to write this off as being resigned to being killed off early. Not clearing him, mind you just giving a pass for the time being....a very short time being.

DD, sorry to hear about your surgery but I really hope to hear something of substance otherwise you seriously move waaaayyy up the list.

Rich? Is Rich here? Same with Mich.....absence does not make the heart grow fonder in this game...........

More in the morning. Hubby will be gone for a hours so my thoughts will be my own for while! High maintenance men are not worth the trouble!

For now, I will put my vote back where it was until I come with a better summation. I vote to lynch Labby

I agree with the bolded part.

I'm not seeing the Noods I'm used to. I realize there are many potential reasons for this, but I'm used to her being out there pulling posts and calling people out; throwing out wise-cracks and getting into it. It almost feels like she's trying to fly under the radar. You said it yourself to DD... unless we get something of substance from you soon, you're moving waaaay up the list.

 

[jbradt]

Okay, Mich is showing up on a lot of people's lists, so I thought I'd check it out... This is his first game... correct?

Seventh!

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I vote to lynch JL

Becuase JLs the only one who hasn't posted and not already gotten a vote.

Hey, at least he posted a reason. Not bad for a noob. :headbang2:

Wouldn't he had UDd by then?

First punch on the noob card...

Oh, sorry I'm new haha.

Second... and third punches on the noob card...

I retract my uneducated vote on JL and vote to lynch Ice

Ice seems the most suspicious to me, I haven't played before but it seems he's trying a new strategy? I don't see why anyone would try so hard to not be lynched if they're innocent. Too late, I didn't see that it was over. Sorry!, I was still typing.

Fourth punch on the noob card at least. First, we're posting after nightfall. Second, the bolded statement. This has been brought up before, and I'll comment on it in a little bit.

...wow, bad night

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I don't see why you would be trying so hard to stay in the game if you're innocent anyways.

Again with this. Someone's about to get his noob card pulled. I can't figure these statements out in light of his low posting. It seems like he must be innocent because he's certainly not trying to save himself... or anyone else. But it's such a great way for a mafia to hide that it's tempting to vote for him just to answer the question.

At the very least, he's added nothing to the town but another X factor.

 

[jbradt]

Mich, the short answer is we need input from you. Do you have any suspects? Anyone you feel has been really helping the town? Do you have any thoughts on strange interactions, or suspicious motives?

Don't be intimidated by being new, put some thoughts out there for the town to look at. You're another one who needs to put in something significant pretty quick.