Mafia 65: Masons and Mafia (Game Thread)

[Lab_Rat]

To add to my post to LR.

JL didn't get defensive about FF twisting his words. He got defensive about Dawg connecting him with FF.That is why he voted Dawg.

Not to mention why would anyone get defensive,especially on Day 1 about being connected to another player unless maybe it was because it was true.

Connect me to anyone and I'll laugh it off not get defensive about it.

Like I said previously, I would get defensive being tied in with FF on day 1 too, whether or not it was true. I'm glad you wouldn't get defensive about it...but you're a better mafia player than I am.

We can't lose sight of the fact that there is also a good guy communicating team as well.

 

[jpappy789]

Like I said previously, I would get defensive being tied in with FF on day 1 too, whether or not it was true. I'm glad you wouldn't get defensive about it...but you're a better mafia player than I am.

We can't lose sight of the fact that there is also a good guy communicating team as well.

Good point. There's also an innocent team out there that does not want to be connected to anyone either.

 

[IceH2O]

Quick question LR..

Why do you think the mafia team would come out strong to get someone lynched?

The way you and Jpap reacted to my post didn't alarm me like I thought it would and as I was reading them and posting this I have come to the conclusion that we need to watch the quiet ones and really scrutinize their posts when they make them.

If I was mafia I'd get my team to sit back and let the town and Masons go at it and hope the townies took out a Mason. Then the next 24 hours we could strategize on how to work Day 2.

I just don't think FF could do that and not look scummy but that he slipped and gave away JL.

 

[IceH2O]

Like I said previously, I would get defensive being tied in with FF on day 1 too, whether or not it was true. I'm glad you wouldn't get defensive about it...but you're a better mafia player than I am.

We can't lose sight of the fact that there is also a good guy communicating team as well.

Good point. There's also an innocent team out there that does not want to be connected to anyone either.

So then why freak out? It just makes you look more guilty.

As for the Masons,I don't believe they'd sit back and be quiet. I think that would out them. They need to blend in with the town to prevent from being hit.

 

[jpappy789]

Ice, the thing is, when rereading through JL's post I got the idea that he thought the entire thing was funny...what post(s) exactly tipped you off as JL being defensive?

 

[IceH2O]

I see you down there FF, want to add anything?

Maybe answer my question to you in the post below

Not an acceptable answer. You could have voted for your 2nd suspect without having to vote with either suspect.

What puts Dawg ahead of JL? From what I can tell its because he defended JL by going after you.
If that is the case then what does it matter which one is lynched to you? The fact that you vote with JL against Dawg and then Tex did the same makes me even more confident that JL got stuck with you and Tex.

 

[IceH2O]

Ice, the thing is, when rereading through JL's post I got the idea that he thought the entire thing was funny...what post(s) exactly tipped you off as JL being defensive?

These posts

I do not like how Dawg has attempted to link me and FF together. I think he made some sort of statement that if FF comes up mafia that I will be his next target or something to that affect...

Here is the tail end of the post -



Odd that dawg is even trying to get into a debate with FF. All this multi-posting and trying to make sense out of what FF posts is a joke. The fact that dawg is involved in it makes me concerned.

Why would dawg want to even attempt to make sense out of what FF posts? Dawg, you really think FF has his own suspects? His suspects are whoever votes for him. This has been established. FF likes to post and is winning the post count.

Also dawg, if FF turns up innocent will I be your next vote? Why in the world would I be your next vote if FF comes up mafia? Explain the FF - JL66 connection.

I retract my vote on jpappy789.

Then this post after I posted my vote.

Here is my post and my response to jpap using the train word.



Here jpap explains his comment and that he expects to see the votes spread out.



Here Ice chimes in -



Then some more input from Ice (both very good points) -



Then some insanity from FF -



Then here is the bone that dawg is chewing on -



Here is what FF is quoting me as saying "that the mafia wont try to stat a train on someone they know is innocent." Now can someone please put that in some sort of context? I have no clue what FF is even talking about and for the last 30 minutes have read his post and really want my 30 minutes back. I am way better off skimming them.

Why is this the lone crazy talk from FF that dawg is focused on. How about FF saying I am starting a train? How about FF saying that Zaffy is defending jpap? How about FF declaring jpap innocent? I am sure there is much more craziness from FF. I am going to stick to skimming his posts.

Dawg taking FF serious is what I have issue with and then somehow linking me to FF. If FF and I talked outside the thread and I said what he is quoting me as saying then we are talking about the mafia.

I vote to lynch Dirtydawg10.

If he was joking why would he go after Dawg for it?

 

[Lab_Rat]

Quick question LR..

Why do you think the mafia team would come out strong to get someone lynched?

The way you and Jpap reacted to my post didn't alarm me like I thought it would and as I was reading them and posting this I have come to the conclusion that we need to watch the quiet ones and really scrutinize their posts when they make them.

If I was mafia I'd get my team to sit back and let the town and Masons go at it and hope the townies took out a Mason. Then the next 24 hours we could strategize on how to work Day 2.

I just don't think FF could do that and not look scummy but that he slipped and gave away JL.

I don't think the entire mafia would come out strong to get someone lynched...I think they may have a strong player try to make a case for an easy innocent to lynch while the rest sit back and stay quiet. They may also be hoping that the masons reveal themselves somehow so they know who to pick off. This whole format is quite different than what we're used to, with even numbered communicating teams and no set nightfall (well, I know there is the 72 hour deadline but that's not the intent of the format). I think with this format, there is more pressure for the mafia to put up an innocent lynch candidate rather than rely on the town to do so. As well, there are 5 masons out there who know of each others innocence. This makes it less likely for the town to happen to put two innocents in the running to get lynched, at least that is how I see it. Yet more pressure for the mafia to put an easy innocent to lynch on the block.

I completely agree the quiet ones must be scrutinized...Razz, where ya at? Kash, any more insight? Annie, how's the birthday party? :laugh: Tex, are you playing this game?

So then why freak out? It just makes you look more guilty.

As for the Masons,I don't believe they'd sit back and be quiet. I think that would out them. They need to blend in with the town to prevent from being hit.

That's how I am...do I need to reference previous games? It's an area of the game in which I'm working on improving, but I understand why JL would be defensive about being tied in with FF. Maybe he's experienced enough that he should know not to react so but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt since I can see being in his shoes for this situation.

 

[johnlarson66]

Dawg has attempted to link me and FF and asked me my thoughts about what FF had said -

Good point. I'm just wondering where FF heard that statement from JL because it's clearly not in this thread. It had to come from somewhere?? I don't think it was planned...I think it was a screw up.



They were able to communicate prior to the game. I have no problem with your vote but I do have a problem with you not being able to see FF's screw up. It seems so clear to me. JL said something and FF posted that JL was thinking something totally different. I'm wondering where that thought came from because...again...it didn't come from this thread but it came from somewhere.

Here it is again...



and again FF has totally side stepped the issue of where this actually came from. He has yet to answer this even though I've asked 3 or 4 times for him to clarify. Nothing JL said even remotely leads one to believe what FF states JL is saying. I'm not going to harp on it any more but my vote will stay where it is until FF comes up with a logical explanation.

I'm also wondering if JL has any thoughts on what FF says about JL.

I answered his questions, I thought very well.

This is what bothered me -

So FF you're saying from this...



You got this...



Can you splain that one to me?? This is what I'm trying to figure out. Where the heck did that second idea come from...:wall:...where did JL say that??? He didn't!!



How am I defending JL?? When you turn up mafia JL will be my next vote.

Why am I included in any of this? How has dawg linked me and FF? From what?

I do not like how Dawg has attempted to link me and FF together. I think he made some sort of statement that if FF comes up mafia that I will be his next target or something to that affect...

I don't think I have been defensive or jumpy. I have been posting. The references to me "freaking out" are false.

As of right now, Dawg and Ice have me and FF linked together as teamates based on nothing but posts from FF. I think they are attempting to get me lynched. Even Ice knows that dawg has messed up trying to say FF and I have talked outside of the game. What ever FF is, it has nothing to do with me. Anyone saying anything different should be watched.

At this point I am also concerned with the lack of voting and posting by quite a number of people. It appears the vocal players are going to be the top suspects.

 

[jpappy789]

These posts






Then this post after I posted my vote.



If he was joking why would he go after Dawg for it?

Well, I suppose the best defense is a good offense. But I think we can both agree that this is not the same type of defensiveness as we've seen in other players, in other games. JL's apparently not interested in debating with FF (I don't really blame him) so he's questioning Dawg instead.