Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

[Dangerdoll]

DD, what Coler posted in regards to that game isn't correct. Evaluating his comments taken by themselves then using that as an argument now to support what he said is only reinforcing one side of the story. Looking at one side while ignoring the other is not being objective.

I posted replies to his posts which show that he was incorrect in his claim that the content of my post was the issue. I then went on to refute his claim that it was the timing of the post that the issue. The timing was my best defense instead of ammunition used against me.

I don't know whether you pulled Coler's posts by the author search feature and read them individually without reading the replies that followed or whether you, ahem, skimmed over what you didn't want to see or repeat for everyone in the thread... but in any case, you need to review a bit more thoroughly before reposting (rehashing) your viewpoints based only on certain parts of the posts made at that time.

how ironic is it that here you are talking about one looking at one side of the story. And as I have read, I believe the ammunition was the simple fact that only PR's/Mafia got PM's in that game so this is what actually blew your cover. Don't worry, I saw your "refute's" but I also believe that your posting early alone is not what caused you the problem.

I post my thoughts and ideas on the posts as I read them... if it strikes me as something not right, I discuss it... No need to give me instructions on my game Kash, I feel like I am doing fine but thanks anyway.

 

[Dangerdoll]

UUUUUgggggghhhhhh!!!!!

Kash/noods/noods/kash!!!!

we have seen other things brought up but no one wants to talk about anything else.

I have to place my vote without any info to guide my decision.

Day 1 sucks!

Therefore since I won't be back before nightfall, (my work schedule sucks too)

I will go back to my earlier post where I called on the "four horsemen of the Apocalypse" attacking the player most likely to fold.

If more experienced players look into this and see merit, maybe we can get some good bush kicking going day 2.

If I am wrong, 1 vote doesn't mean much but prevents ud.

I vote to lynch DD

oooops.

previous post incomplete. I haven't had enough coffee yet.

I was refferring to the badgering of Lab Rat over her theories and refusal to accept she may be wrong.

The "four horsemen" I refer to are Jpappy, Jb, DD, and Dawg.

not really sure I get this, but whatever rocks your boat...

 

[Fishfriend1]

My stuff is in BOLD, what a weird word, sound it out B-O-U-L-D. Just sounds weird.

If lab rat isn't even willing to give any merit to the other possibilities why would she have even brought them up? I think it is everyone's nature to go with what they feel is the most likely scenario but it doesn't mean that they don't give the others any merit. The fact that she mentions other possibilities means she has given them some merit.

FF hasn't been posting a flurry of nonsense but he did have one big slip up :

Once again that was to everyone, make ur cases or shut up, ill listen till 4pm, them im grounded till 7:30 and then again a 8:30, just so i can see the lynch.

And, yay! Ima suspect now, lol.(that means at least one person is takeing me seriously. Thanks dag.

I would say it's pretty obvious that FF is on a communicating team. I would have no problem voting for him to get him lynched. Even if he turns out to be an innocent we could look at who was voting with him when he posted that and start to get an idea of who is most likely innocent.

If im on a communicating team and was not evil, how would that be good in any way whatsoever?! Thats scummy.


Does this make sense to anyone? After FF's slip up he tries to cover it saying he wants to hear theories instead of instructions. FF has shown in previous games that when he talks he gets himself in trouble. If he were ever to be on team with me the very first thing I would say to him is DON"T SPEAK!!!!! After hearing the theories presented FF is saying that he is seeing logic that dawg is busting out and that he is beginning to think that Kash / Lab / Nood are innocent.

LOL, last game they told me to be as loud and annoying as possible lol.

Two lines later FF is now saying that Kash has defended herself too much and that makes her scum so FF will be keeping the vote on her... Does that make sense? So if I understand that correctly kash is looking innocent but she has defended herself so she must be scum? Things like that makes me feel that you are railroader FF.

I vote to lynch FF!

What im saying is that kashta is way to defensive to have a clear conscious. She is NOT looking innocent to me, or else i wold be voting for Noods or Cole. Both seem would seem scummy if Kash is innocent.

 

[Dangerdoll]

In the highlighted text quoted above, Pappy, you've paraphrased my statement in a way that completely changes the meaning of what was said.

That's not a good way to present credible arguments.

I did not say if we're able to identify mafia goons early that we should "get rid of them" early. What I said was identifying who they are gives us the best possible advantage we can have. That is definitely NOT the same thing.

Here's my actual quote that you've somehow managed to completely misrepresent. Note the text there highlighted in blue. That's where I also gave reason WHY it's sometimes a better decision not to kill someone immediately even when you already know they're scum.

By asking me here, "why the wait with Noods?" as you've done in your post.... why would you ask me a question like that after you're the one who has omitted the answer I already provided?

You already had my answer to that question before asking it.

I think this might be the 3rd time I have seen you suggest someone goes back and reread something because a post of yours has been misunderstood. Here you are accusing pappy of the same thing (he makes the 3rd off the top of my head). The thing is (and I am sure you already know), reading things on the internet and discussing things between more than one person leaves a lot to be determined because a post is without tone and sometimes things are misread, left out, confused.... that's the trials of playing on the internet. This doesn't only go for sarcastic posts that are made without smilies or LOL's... That said, if everyone is reading your posts wrong, maybe the issue doesn't lie in the reader.... just a thought.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Dawg, in a game with no investigation result in my pocket, no opportunity to role claim, and it being highly unwise for us to speculate about which townies possibly "know" someone else's role because it places them at obvious risk in this format..... I choose my words carefully so they won't be misunderstood.

I do not say that I "know" anyone's role. And even if I did, I would not phrase it that way in this game. What I do say is that I'm convinced that Noodles is scum. I've also said that I believe she's scum.

What this means or doesn't and how my opinion here gets interpreted is up to the reader(s) of my posts.

refer this bolded point back to my last post.... now it is up to the reader of how they interpret things... tired of telling people how to read your posts?

 

[Dangerdoll]

Sure. While I still believe Noods is scum, I don't feel this is the time to lynch her.... yet. The town overall doesn't seem to support my opinion of her yet , this being Day 1.... as evidenced by a decided lack of votes against her thus far. Also, my leaving a lone vote on Noods at this point in time would be counterproductive when nightfall comes if the majority of votes fall to other suspects up for lynching. Plus the fact that my voting her early and keeping that vote on Noods discourages us from continuing on to seek other suspects who are equally evil and potentially even more dangerous to the town than Noods is.

That doesn't change the fact that I view her as I do.

Even so...

Knowing or believing or merely suspecting that Noods is on the evil team serves a beneficial purpose all by itself. It allows us all a great opportunity to keep an eye on what she does and what she says in her posts. It also enables us to see better those who might be defending her, protecting her, distancing themselves from her, or possibly try to throw her under the bus (should that happen) as the days unfold.

Noods is real good at being rather transparent when she's evil. This is a characteristic of her game play that's become well known to many players in the game. So if she's evil this time (which I believe she is) then she's more than likely going to show these indications of her role to us on her own, without anyone else's help.

My vote now is placed on Coler. I believe my voting Noods when I did and for the reason I gave was unexpected. I also believe Coler tried to come to her aid much in the same way he had to help me out of a similar position in a previous game. Whether Coler or even Noods is actually lynchable the first night remains to be seen. But based on the way they seem (to me) to be connected, I believe Coler is just as evil (and likely much more dangerous to the town if this is true) than Noodles is.

the problem though, Kash is that you removed your post off Noods pretty early.... we still had quite some time to digest whether we thought Noods was/is mafia or not....

 

[Dangerdoll]

OK, this has oficialy passed over my head now. Lets all just lynch someone who hasnt posted alot, like odinthejd. he would be a good vote, al he has done so far is vote for someone and ask a question, all in one post.

why are you even considering just lynching someone for the joy of lynching?? Why are you suggesting "let's all" anything?? Why are you not helping in trying to get things straightened out so that we CAN find mafia instead of just rolling the game along?

 

[Fishfriend1]

why are you even considering just lynching someone for the joy of lynching?? Why are you suggesting "let's all" anything?? Why are you not helping in trying to get things straightened out so that we CAN find mafia instead of just rolling the game along?

to clarify that, it was more the see reactions then to actually vote people. And your reaction sounded like an indirect way of defending him. MAN I WISH I WAS AN IMMIGRANT, they know one RRL...

And to the second thing, im trying, ive just given up on getting more for Kash, just lettin u do the work, then commin up with arguments ad counter arguments and counter-counter arguments to see if your ideas are foolproof.

 

[noodles62]

Sure. While I still believe Noods is scum, I don't feel this is the time to lynch her.... yet. The town overall doesn't seem to support my opinion of her yet , this being Day 1.... as evidenced by a decided lack of votes against her thus far. Also, my leaving a lone vote on Noods at this point in time would be counterproductive when nightfall comes if the majority of votes fall to other suspects up for lynching. Plus the fact that my voting her early and keeping that vote on Noods discourages us from continuing on to seek other suspects who are equally evil and potentially even more dangerous to the town than Noods is.

Noods is real good at being rather transparent when she's evil. This is a characteristic of her game play that's become well known to many players in the game. So if she's evil this time (which I believe she is) then she's more than likely going to show these indications of her role to us on her own, without anyone else's help.

My vote now is placed on Coler. I believe my voting Noods when I did and for

Honestly Kash, have you really been kicking any other bushes besides mine?

Likewise, whenever Noods is scum she tends to make silly mistakes, she gets defensive much easier that when she's innocent, she avoids controversy at all costs (like here where she votes a complete absentee noob on Day 1 instead of taking a stand against either me, Lab Rat, or helping us find some other suspect). Noods also disappears a lot more when she's evil and she neglects to post observations that show she's kicking the bushes trying to find scum.... which she's not doing at all as far as what I see from her in this game.

and you are kicking bushes, right? (other then mine?...)

I would be more then happy to move my vote to you but I am sure that would be seen as OMGUSy, thus scum! As I said, my vote will most likely move before nightfall - to either you or Labby.

while I see this post as pretty over analytical, I have to say that you are forgetting one thing. Noods has not been to the board nor the Mafia games in quite a while. While she had been a player who had lots of fun with it, just her being excited to have made it to the game, yes, I can see that.... about most people feeling bummed because they did not get an evil role....disagree whole heartedly. Someone can be just as excited for a PR. And, I didn't think I was set apart from the group but I like the role I am given whatever it is, townie, mafia, or power role... I think that is an unfair statement to make.

Thanks DD. At least someone noticed and even missed me!

Dang! I guess I really suck playing these games?! Kashta you have me all figured out. If I am so easy to read then WTH am I doing here? Seems like I would have been ridiculed out of the games long ago...All I can say is this is YOUR PERCEPTION of me and my game play; everyone does not have to agree with you. Just because you screwed up in a past game does not mean that when others do something similar they are the same. We dont all want to be like you, believe it or not. I really dislike it when players constantly bring up past games (something that had nothing to even do with me!)to try to frame someone in the current game. Each game is it's own entity and has its own circumstances. Let it go! quite frankly I am tired of the subject.

Yes, I have not been around much but guess what? it is still day one! (not to mention I am work!) not sure how that can be indicitive of my role??

 

[noodles62]

oops, part of my post is repeated...forgot to delete when i moved it up in the paragraph....