Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

[Kashta]

I agree with your comment JB. But I did not say I am on board 100% with what LR is saying. What I said was I wanted to retract off of Kash and think about it some more. I also wanted to hear from more people about LR's theories. I mostly wanted to hear from Kash. From what Kash has posted since my retraction I would guess that Kash and LR do NOT both KNOW that Noods is evil. Kash says she suspects Noods and LR seems to know without a reasonable doubt that Noods is evil. I am really not sure which way my vote will go at this point.

Dawg, in a game with no investigation result in my pocket, no opportunity to role claim, and it being highly unwise for us to speculate about which townies possibly "know" someone else's role because it places them at obvious risk in this format..... I choose my words carefully so they won't be misunderstood.

I do not say that I "know" anyone's role. And even if I did, I would not phrase it that way in this game. What I do say is that I'm convinced that Noodles is scum. I've also said that I believe she's scum.

What this means or doesn't and how my opinion here gets interpreted is up to the reader(s) of my posts.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Dawg, in a game with no investigation result in my pocket, no opportunity to role claim, and it being highly unwise for us to speculate about which townies possibly "know" someone else's role because it places them at obvious risk in this format..... I choose my words carefully so they won't be misunderstood.

I do not say that I "know" anyone's role. And even if I did, I would not phrase it that way in this game. What I do say is that I'm convinced that Noodles is scum. I've also said that I believe she's scum.

What this means or doesn't and how my opinion here gets interpreted is up to the reader(s) of my posts.

I think that if u say ur convince that -insert name here- is scum it is the same as saying that u know what role they got (aka, mafia).

 

[dirtydawg10]

Dawg, in a game with no investigation result in my pocket, no opportunity to role claim, and it being highly unwise for us to speculate about which townies possibly "know" someone else's role because it places them at obvious risk in this format..... I choose my words carefully so they won't be misunderstood.

I do not say that I "know" anyone's role. And even if I did, I would not phrase it that way in this game. What I do say is that I'm convinced that Noodles is scum. I've also said that I believe she's scum.

What this means or doesn't and how my opinion here gets interpreted is up to the reader(s) of my posts.

I never said you claimed to "know" but someone else was very clear about using that word and I'm sure I'm not the only person who saw it. I am actually leaning toward your side of the fence if you haven't noticed because for a mafia to come out this early and say what you and LR have said this early in the game is suicide. If Noods goes and is found to be innocent we know who will be on the chopping block. So I'm beginning to lean you both innocent. The only thing that concerns me is the push for Noods and the vote on Coler. I can understand if what I suspect is true but it is still cause for concern so I'm not quite sure where to place my vote just yet.

 

[noodles62]

well after reviewing things again it seems I did not bold my vote correctly so for the record, and in case I do not switch my vote today...I vote to lynch odinthejd

I have been trying to get "a read" on other players but with quite a few who are not really posting and new players (new to me) it is not so easy.....could it be that they are hiding as not to give their role away? maybe.... at this point I would have to again say that OD's vote and run tactic makes me nervous; Annie's apparent disappearance makes me nervous and we may wind up with a UD or 2.
The vets that I have played with before seem to be playing as usual so no help there either......

more later, gotta run! opcorn:

 

[Fishfriend1]

hmmmm, i think (always a dangerous pastime) that if u are mafia and came out early, because of all these people who thing early birds are good birds, you would actualy be safer then someone like annie, who has only post once, or rich who has only posted 3 time, and those times where bs. And never forget Od, he posted one vote post and disappeared, the day is almost over, where is he? Where are all the people who have not posted a lot, or at all?

 

[Kashta]

Kash, I have a question. Can you explain why you "stuck your neck out" to go after Noods and continue to hammer her...yet your vote is on Coler? I think this is confusing several people or it may just be me who is confused.

Sure. While I still believe Noods is scum, I don't feel this is the time to lynch her.... yet. The town overall doesn't seem to support my opinion of her yet , this being Day 1.... as evidenced by a decided lack of votes against her thus far. Also, my leaving a lone vote on Noods at this point in time would be counterproductive when nightfall comes if the majority of votes fall to other suspects up for lynching. Plus the fact that my voting her early and keeping that vote on Noods discourages us from continuing on to seek other suspects who are equally evil and potentially even more dangerous to the town than Noods is.

That doesn't change the fact that I view her as I do.

Even so...

Knowing or believing or merely suspecting that Noods is on the evil team serves a beneficial purpose all by itself. It allows us all a great opportunity to keep an eye on what she does and what she says in her posts. It also enables us to see better those who might be defending her, protecting her, distancing themselves from her, or possibly try to throw her under the bus (should that happen) as the days unfold.

Noods is real good at being rather transparent when she's evil. This is a characteristic of her game play that's become well known to many players in the game. So if she's evil this time (which I believe she is) then she's more than likely going to show these indications of her role to us on her own, without anyone else's help.

My vote now is placed on Coler. I believe my voting Noods when I did and for the reason I gave was unexpected. I also believe Coler tried to come to her aid much in the same way he had to help me out of a similar position in a previous game. Whether Coler or even Noods is actually lynchable the first night remains to be seen. But based on the way they seem (to me) to be connected, I believe Coler is just as evil (and likely much more dangerous to the town if this is true) than Noodles is.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Noods posting early : $20.00, Kashta jumping on it : $30.00, Noods and I posting the same thing at the same time : Priceless lol.

 

[Kashta]

I never said you claimed to "know" but someone else was very clear about using that word and I'm sure I'm not the only person who saw it. I am actually leaning toward your side of the fence if you haven't noticed because for a mafia to come out this early and say what you and LR have said this early in the game is suicide. If Noods goes and is found to be innocent we know who will be on the chopping block. So I'm beginning to lean you both innocent. The only thing that concerns me is the push for Noods and the vote on Coler. I can understand if what I suspect is true but it is still cause for concern so I'm not quite sure where to place my vote just yet.

I'm aware of who speculated about what I might know as a way of trying to explain or even just understand my thoughts on the matter. That was beyond my control, but so it goes. And you're right, it would be quite foolish if I was mafia to take this stand against Noods or even Coler as some kind of strategy. All that would do is get me killed right away. Even when I'm evil I may become aggressive at times, but I have better sense than that.

As for the reason I retracted my vote on Noods and why I'm voting Coler instead... I believe I've covered this in my previous post. If not, let me know if there's something more that I should clarify.

 

[Kashta]

Looks like there's something I said before that wasn't clear enough. Let me make this more plain to see what I meant in an earlier post.

Noodles, I've snipped two excerts from a single post you made because your post was already highlighted in multiple colors and that would make your comments difficult to spot.

What I meant to say seems to have confused you, so I'll clear that up for you now.

how is my game play different? I thought I always get defensive when I am scummy? so which is it? same or different?

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but I thought my game play is different? or wait, it's the same...different/same...:thud:

Here is my actual post in reply and addressing Jpappy.

I differ with your opinion here on two points.

First, that my early vote is not based off some joke. Okay, that's true. It wasn't a joke that prompted me to vote Noodles so fast. But so what? Who says we're not allowed to vote our primary suspect (if we have one) whenever the heck we want to?

If there's a mafia game rulebook somewhere that tells us Day 1 votes are always supposed to be made on people cracking jokes in the game, then I haven't seen it. Maybe you could show me that reference.

Next... Seriously, Pappy?

Your game style and Noodles' game style is totally different. In all the games we've played together, I don't believe I've ever seen you become overly defensively or OMGUSsy over any Day 1 vote. Or, when someone's just called you scummy over something you think is trivial. On the contrary, your behavior and your personality in these games is much more collected and controlled than to overreact like that at all. So here, I fail to see any relative or meaningful point to this comparison between you and Noodles, whatsoever.

Highlighted in green in the quote above is the statement I made.

I was not saying that Jpappy's and Noodles's game style is totally different in this game from their style in other games. What I meant there was that their style of play is considerably different... from each other. That should be clear enough taken in context with the full paragraph, but since Noods has posted since then that I'm claiming her style is different in this game... not the point I was making, of course... I wanted to correct that misunderstanding.

Actually what I believe is that both Pappy and Noodles are being entirely consistent with their previous games when they're evil.

When Pappy is scum, he's very good at appearing to be helpful and pro-town when the reality is that his "helpful" posts actually confuse people or redirect them away from certain topics the mafia doesn't want us dwelling on.

Likewise, whenever Noods is scum she tends to make silly mistakes, she gets defensive much easier that when she's innocent, she avoids controversy at all costs (like here where she votes a complete absentee noob on Day 1 instead of taking a stand against either me, Lab Rat, or helping us find some other suspect). Noods also disappears a lot more when she's evil and she neglects to post observations that show she's kicking the bushes trying to find scum.... which she's not doing at all as far as what I see from her in this game.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Ok, just catching up and I am finding that I have a lot of thought on your opinions and such, Kash... I didn't want to put them in one single post because it was getting overwhelming so I will set them apart.