The way I see it the only people it helps is the town when I name people innocent. the vampires already know who is innocent and who is on their team. The townies do not know. I will say that noods is only innocent in my mind until next nightfall.
Yes I agree the vamps do know who is innocent. and this falls in line with your false RC, was it you or Ice that came up with this plan?
Tonight you name your turn from last night as innocent and you have insured the vamps victory.
Just like when JL false role claimed on me before your false role claim has sealed the fate of the town.
I honestly think the town should stake Wiz tonight and try and come to a consensus about who the slayer should try and stake. That way definitely no matter get at least 1 vampire taken out. I don't at all like the possibility that if we depend on the slayer to take out Wiz and they decide to bite the slayer there is 50/50 chance that the slayer gets taken out before getting to take out Wiz. The way the coin has been flipping this whole game if it comes to that I think the town is gonna get screwed again.
Are you having second thoughts as to how convincing you were with your RC, the slayer works for the town. IF you didn't lie to us, who did you think the slayer would stake?
The only problem I see with that is it all depends on the town trusting the slayer to go through with staking Wiz. If we can trust the slayer to stake wiz shouldn't we be able to trust that the slayer will go with the town consensus? My biggest fear is that the slayer will get taken out by the vamps before they can use their stake. If we are wrong with our consensus about staking someone not wiz that means there is chance that we don't actually kill any vampires tonight.
I don't think the town would be mad if the slayer staked an innocent who the town agreed was the best option. I think the town might get angry if the slayer were to ignore the consensus and go for whoever they want. Either way I feel we have to trust that the slayer will play ball with the rest of the town. If the town takes out wiz it is guaranteed that at least 1 vampire will be taken out tonight, even if the slayer get's killed by vamps before getting their stake off.
The town trusts the slayer, it is you and your vamp buddies that are having trouble here
Out of the remaining players we have to consider that there are three pure spirits left. The seer, slayer and priest. The vampires I think will want to avoid them at all cost as they really need people they can convert. The only roles we know for sure are:
Wiz - Vampire (hopefully Dracula otherwise there are three vampires right now)
Dag - Seer - Pure spirit can't be converted only killed.
Noods - Innocent - Possible target for conversion just the sole reason of why would i invest two nights in a row.
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Chill
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So between the remaining players there is at least 1 vampire (possibly but unlikely two), the priest, the slayer and 2 (hopefully not 1) townies. I think that it would be "safe" for the priest not to protect me tonight because even though I can investigate I don't think that the vampires just want to kill someone when their numbers would be down to 1 if the town takes out wiz. If the priest leaves me off the list that means that there is a 1 in 6 chance they will protect the right person tonight. It also means that there is a 2 in 6 chance that the vampires will hit another pure soul either the priest or the slayer.
That being said I think the slayer should stake FF. He would be the nearly perfect cover for the vampire team:
1. He has stated numerous times that he wouldn't be around much due to limited computer access.
2. The evils have been going against him, while some may think that this would cause town to be less suspicious of him I can see the vampires using reverse psychology in that regard.
3. Throughout this game his play as been erratic so it would be extremely hard to detect a change in game style for him going from innocent to vamp.
4. Even if FF is innocent, which I really hope he isn't anymore, his limited computer time does not really help the town out that much.
trying to insure 2 innocents go tonight?
Do you really think that the slayer would risk going off on their lonesome again after the whoops they did last night?
casting doubt in the slayers mind, hoping to cause hesitation on their part?
This post really bothers me. Frist he questions why the UD came last. :duh:
Second he names Dag, Wiz or Chill as the possible turn?? This makes no sense. Dag has been cleared as inno, Wiz has been proven a vamp. Was there a reason he named Chill as well? Distancing or finger pointing.....
Makes me really distrust FF.
Dag has been cleared by you because he named you as innocent. In order for a lie to be believable there has to be an element of truth in it.
That is why he named you as innocent so you would trust him and tonight he can name his turn and tomorrow the vamps win.
I know as it stand no one will believe me. Stake me if that is what it takes to see through the plan contrived by Ice and Dag on how to win this game.
My concern is that we have come down to the wire and the vamps can win tomorrow.
