Mafia 72-Vampires game thread
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Lady G, I never told anyone to trust Ice. I always take everything he says with a grain of salt... nothing at face value just because he "says so." You know better me better than this. You also know how devious Ice can be when he's on the scum side.
You are also absolutely correct to say we still shouldn't trust him just because his suggestion was right (which has now been verified by Lab Rat). Plus the fact that somebody has been turned, of course. That could have been him, as well... IF he was innocent on Day 1. That turn could also be you... could also be me for all anyone else can tell this early.
I will say this, we really need to think past the ends of our noses in this game. If the town as a whole is going to base these decisions on who they "think" is trustworthy without actually thinking the logic through completely for themselves, then this game will be a hopeless cause for the town.
hat we need to do in this game most of all is base our suspicions on what we find in the thread, actually read the rules and how that applies to this format (not just any typical mafia game), and never mindlessly follow anyone without questioning the logic and possible motives behind what gets posted.
As you've pointed out, though, there are times when an evil player offers us good advice for no other reason than it gives them a perception of credibility. That's nothing more than an acceptable trade-off in those cases. So don't listen to me or Ice or anyone else if the advice we offer is questionable or inconclusive just because someone "seems" like they're being helpful.
I retract my vote on Lady G.
It's too soon to place a vote on someone Day 2 now just because they're being difficult, resistant, or annoying. I didn't feel comfortable voting either FF or TwoHobbies based on the reasoning we had to go on. I didn't vote Ice just because one statement he made could have been interpreted as scummy. And I shouldn't now vote Lady G just because she was wrong in her interpretation of the rules/nightfall events. We have a long way to go.
It's too soon to place a vote on someone Day 2 now just because they're being difficult, resistant, or annoying. I didn't feel comfortable voting either FF or TwoHobbies based on the reasoning we had to go on. I didn't vote Ice just because one statement he made could have been interpreted as scummy. And I shouldn't now vote Lady G just because she was wrong in her interpretation of the rules/nightfall events. We have a long way to go.
I don't know why I posted Drac instead of just a vamp. Looking at the time stamp on my post I see it was when my daughter was laying down and fell asleep so I was just hitting the game real quick so as to not take time from her.
Okay. I know you're getting caught up in the thread. When you do, I have another question for you.
How many vampires do you think we had on Day 1?
I don't know, normally you would figure 20-25% for the scum team. However since there is the possibility of turning, 50/50 turn/kill then I think 4 would be too many.
LR stated that there was a team already so I would guess 3 reason being there is no guarantee of a turn so I think 2 would be too few.
So you are saying that had I voted for Ice when no one else was on him it wouldn't have been a waste of a vote because he was my highest suspect for being evil? Also if that is correct you are saying that getting two innocents killed is better then getting one killed because using strategy on day 1 when your main suspect is in the clear for the time being is not helpful to the town?
Do you remove a diseased fish from your tank in order to protect the other fish there or do you wait to see if the other fish will be fine while the infected heals?
I could see this being true if DD showed evil but she showed innocent. How does that make me look good?
All I was doing was trying to buy us an extra day by cutting losses. I'm not asking anyone to trust or follow me.
It looks to me that so far LG and JM are the only ones really upset that DD was voted for, why? You got your 4 innocent kills and while Jpap can't vote he can still strategize with you.
I've gotten a bit of sleep and had some time to think and read back over a good part of the thread. Here's what bothers me about Ice and his plan of voting DD:
In the game I referenced earlier where I didn't vote as the top vote getter, I UD'd and the second highest vote getter got the noose. I remember sending a couple of WTF pm's to the mod because in that game, the lynch happened before the UD in the order of nightime occurrences too. I may be misremembering this, and I couldn't find the game in a quick search; but it seems to me now that Ice was the mod of that game... maybe you can confirm or deny that, Ice?
Here's the rub... in the pm's following my UD instead of lynching, Ice explained to me that "that's the way it's always been, the UD doesn't get the lynch". Regardless of Labby's intentions toward this point in this game; my memory is that Ice's p.o.v. was exactly the opposite of what he's spewing this game re: voting DD. When did your mind change on this issue, Ice?
Kash seems to have come out swinging on this issue too. I don't think Kash and Ice would both be making such a big deal out of it if they were both evil, they're way too good for that. So I think one of two things is happening: either Ice is evil and is just playing with rule interpretation to hide a vote, or Kash is evil and jumped on the bandwagon Ice started which can later be used to frame Ice. I really believe at this point that one of these two has no reflection.
In the game I referenced earlier where I didn't vote as the top vote getter, I UD'd and the second highest vote getter got the noose. I remember sending a couple of WTF pm's to the mod because in that game, the lynch happened before the UD in the order of nightime occurrences too. I may be misremembering this, and I couldn't find the game in a quick search; but it seems to me now that Ice was the mod of that game... maybe you can confirm or deny that, Ice?
Here's the rub... in the pm's following my UD instead of lynching, Ice explained to me that "that's the way it's always been, the UD doesn't get the lynch". Regardless of Labby's intentions toward this point in this game; my memory is that Ice's p.o.v. was exactly the opposite of what he's spewing this game re: voting DD. When did your mind change on this issue, Ice?
Kash seems to have come out swinging on this issue too. I don't think Kash and Ice would both be making such a big deal out of it if they were both evil, they're way too good for that. So I think one of two things is happening: either Ice is evil and is just playing with rule interpretation to hide a vote, or Kash is evil and jumped on the bandwagon Ice started which can later be used to frame Ice. I really believe at this point that one of these two has no reflection.
