Mafia 73: Werewolf Game!

[Lady G]

I like how you went from sounding newbie to trying to sound more professional in a period of only a few posts. That seems.... scumish

As for JM I think that he is either scum OR he is the seer or hunter since he could be acting this way because of either roles. (He doesn't want to get voted because his team will be HUGELY affected)

OMG, User...NEVER, NEVER, NEVER talk PR's that is just asking for them to be takin out!!

Kash if you can't figure out the first game with your attention to detail and love of analysis, how could FF possibly do it. Trying to understand his posts often hurts my head, trying to think like him may give me a full blown anuerism. But in his own words:



so kill with a saving turn, 25% of 15, pretty strawberry, flip a coin, disregard, start again, he probaly decided on 7. Sorry just ffing around - he probaly went 3 but who the **** knows.

:rofl::rofl:

 

[Lady G]

LG:

First post:Already adding to the FFness of day 1 with the Skimmy McSkimmerton role. :silly: What really hit me about this post is that it seems so much more finger pointy than I'm used to early on from LG. She's always good at putting thoughts out there, but this seems confident. Which I'm decidedly not used to. In this game, confidence comes from information. Hmm...

Forgive me if I'm wrong here, G. But in this game, ALL the wolves are hidden... unless you're one of them.

Again trimmed for space. Here LG jumps on questioning Dag. Again, I get it; but it seems odd to keep beating the horse when all the questions have been asked before. And again, this seems to be awefully finger pointy for LG on day 1.

I don't remember who, but I think someone tried to use this post as LG saying she was going to eat someone. I find that to be utterly ridiculous. I'll have to find that post now...

I just wanted you to have something to respond to when you got home from work! :welcome:

Ok..I'm "finger pointy" and "confident" that's pretty funny actually, considering I was goofin with everyone and everything and pretty much messed up most names. Maybe it's just me, but it seems if I were WW I'd be a little more concerned with my posting.
Although, thanks for thinking of me and giving me something to respond too.

I like how you went from sounding newbie to trying to sound more professional in a period of only a few posts. That seems.... scumish

If you're going to attempt to accuse me of being scummish, at least try to come up with a half-good reason.
I do agree with you, jm is either seer, hunter, or alpha wolf. I'm thinking alpha wolf, he's just a bit too skittish.

AGAIN with the PR posts (no, not by the same person). Ok, but if you think he may be a PR why would you vote him, unless of course you are TRYING to get rid of a PR????? Even if you think there is a slim chance, it seems to me waiting a bit to get a better feel of them would be the thing to do.

 

[Lady G]

I'm thinking we're safe with an estimate of 3-4 as I really don't see even FF putting up 5 wolves against a town of 10. Wouldn't be fair numbers for the town imo. Of course, that's me trying to get into FF's brain. :crazy:



:jaw:



mg: Did not need to know that bit of information there Chill...


I agree that the tone didn't fit with the mood of the town at the time. What I can't get over is how differently this play would be for JM compared to how he played as a vampire. Right now, that's the biggest thing preventing me from voting for him.



Agree that LG is giving me a bad vibe. Not only is she finger-pointy, she's pointing at the wrong people for saying things. Almost like she doesn't care who she points at as long as she's pointing at someone. Wonder what knowledge she has that others don't...feel like howling there LG?


WTF is up with all the PR discussion? I already gave UN the :thumbsdown:. It's not productive for the town to discuss PRs, only helps the flea-bags.

LMAO...do I ever NOT give you a bad vibe, I don't think so

 

[Lady G]

Now...I need to get something to eat be back in a bit!

 

[jpappy789]

Just read through the game and wanted to get this out of the way first.

I retract my vote on JM

(for now)

I don't care for the way it turned into a train. He isn't cleared in my mind, not by a long shot, but I need to consider carefully what I have read and seen as well as what other players have said they have seen before voting.

I will post more thoughts as I respond to posts I have seen that caught my eye.

I'm not a fan when people use the train excuse alone as a reason to gloss over a vote. They are not set in stone and can be retracted at any time, although I do understand time restraints.

I can see people saying that they do not think "so and so" is evil and IN ADDITION the train on "so and so" is making them nervous. But to still allude to them as a likely potential evil but then use this excuse just seems like a nice way to weasel out of the vote and possibly divert attention away short of clearing the person outright.

People never like to think they are being closed minded, especially in mafia games, so it is a strong motivator to keep people away from voting the person especially since two newbs followed closely on the vote. If someone jumps ship and others decide not to vote there for this reason then I could see them deciding to move as well. It's a Lab-esque theory but I thought I would throw that out there.

I guess what I'm getting at is that if Jm is evil, as of now I will be looking at those who have voiced a similar opinion. It's still early enough where that could change too. Off the top of my head I believe Jb and Kash have also said something along these lines but feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I don't want to make the wrong impression that I think Wiz is in fact the person pulling the strings here since I am responding to his post with all of this. I'm actually leaning more towards Jb at this point since he specifically says he isn't going to be voting Jm tonight so to get other suspects out there...that troubles me...go with your top suspect no matter what. By saying you wont vote someone for that reason you're completely going against the central dogma of the game. Your essentially ruling out an option before even knowing what the options are going to be...

One thing I would like to mention, as was stated by Kashta and LR. I find it a little unsettling the way JP and Zaffy were seemingly of a single mind with their "questioning" of JM. I believe the term Kashta used was "tag team posting."

I would be interested to hear what you each have to say about this as I can't recall you two ever posting in such a manner before.

Not sure what you want me to say other I do not know Zaffy's alignment as of now and therefore cannot comment on why we are (supposedly) thinking so alike. It's not impossible for two innocents to share similar thoughts, or for mafia to latch on to innocents, or for mafia to risk agreeing in the thread. I don't think it speaks much to either or our roles right now.

What is interesting about your comment is this part:

"I can't recall you two ever posting in such a manner before"

What do you mean by this? It seems like you are saying that our behavior is beyond just two people agreeing on who was suspicious (at the time), like it's to a whole other level of connection. If that is the case then what about our little agreement is so off to you? Or to anyone else for that matter since it seems to be a popular topic.

So you're going to follow him despite him not even mentioning the thread?

I don't remember the specific game but I distinctly remember that you have voted for Wycco because he posted a bad joke. I you want to deny it then I will give you the thread and post number...

Nearly every vet has stated they find your post odd because they have seen many jokes votes before. It seems you still are holding to your initial statement though. And the fact that you got completely OMGUSy doesn't make it any better.

I could see you explaining, as Jb did, why you were surprised by the joke votes considering the most recent games and how they began. That seems to be a legit, albeit, subjective response. With all the joking in the sign up thread going on I, personally, wasn't surprised at all that people would be taking the beginning lightly. However you stretched the truth about seeing more joke votes in this game than before (which with two/three joke votes being put out of 15 players is hardly true). That is something that needs to be called out...

 

[jpappy789]

On somewhat of a side note, whoever is making the tags about specific people in the game needs to stop IMHO. Players should make up there own mind about other people and shouldn't be subliminally influenced by tags, even if they are intended as a joke.

 

[jbradt]

So, Pappy; if I'm reading right, you are leaning towards me because I said I wouldn't vote for someone I don't believe to be guilty? I think I said something along the lines of what you said in your post... I don't think he's guilty and the train worries me. It may not have been that eloquent, but I've put the concepts out there.

 

[jpappy789]

JB:

As far as JM is concerned... I do see why everyone else is jumping. But I have to say for the record; I don't like the train. At all. My vote won't be going to JM tonight even if the only reason is to keep people looking for other suspects. I also agree with Labby's thougts. JM is rightfully under the microscope, but I want to see more before voting anyone.

It's the "I see what people are saying BUT" part that is what is suspicious to me. You seem to be considering Jm as a suspect (and not in the way that everyone is always a suspect) BUT you don't want to join the train and you are ruling him out without possibility of later consideration .

Maybe I am misinterpreting your post...

 

[jbradt]

JB:



It's the "I see what people are saying BUT" part that is what is suspicious to me. You seem to be considering Jm as a suspect (and not in the way that everyone is always a suspect) BUT you don't want to join the train and you are ruling him out without possibility of later consideration .

Maybe I am misinterpreting your post...

I see what you're saying, Pappy. I guess what I was trying to say is that I see why people are grilling the dude, he's said some iffy stuff. What I don't see, and what really gives me a sphincter reaction is how quickly everyone seems to be ready to condemn him. I would never rule anyone out as a later possibility... especially on day 1.

I also said I wouldn't be voting for you tonight, Pappy. Is that suspicious as well?

 

[Lady G]

The thing that really bothers me about the whole JM deal, is that I can see how it would seem that it was getting out of hand, and how it could irritate someone.

A couple things bug me about it. 1. the joke votes don't usually extend to the mod, his computer, etc. 2. my recollection of the last few games is that they've started off pretty hard-core. A lot of the day 1's recently have been pretty contentious and heated. This day 1 took me by surprise as well. I'm just (apparently) not as tightly wound as JM.

Looking at it this way, I can see where JM's coming from. If he is indeed evil, then this is a hell of a change up from last game where he fooled everyone but Kash. I don't buy it. If he's innocent, then Pappy's either being his over zealous day 1 self, or doing a hell of a set-up job.

As far as why JM on day 1... why not? IF Pappy is wolven, why not go after someone; anyone day 1? He's usually vocal, and I don't think anyone would think twice about Pappy going after someone day 1 and being wrong.

Thinking about it now, I'd have to lean both of them innocent for putting their necks out like they have. But it's early yet.

My vote will likely not end up on either of these two tonight.

Just wondering about something here JB, with all the stuff going on about JM saying he hasn't seen "joke votes" before, I have to ask. Have you really never seen the "joke votes" go toward the Mod before?
As far as him fooling everyone but Kash last game, that's not entirely true either, I pretty much figured he was...just got a bit side tracked being wrong on others, but he pretty much stood out to me most the game.