Mafia 73: Werewolf Game!

[Lady G]

LOL... first things first: I gave up trying to figure out women probably around the time FF was born. :lol2: don't get me wrong... I <3 you all to bits, but figure out? That's just funny.

Basically, my stance on day 1 (at least when I'm a townie) is to give people the benefit of the doubt. When I ask questions, I wait for responses and try to think logically as opposed to jumping on the first thing that seems the slightest bit scummy.

I also didn't think the joke votes were a big deal. I still don't. This is the first day 1 in a long time that I've actually enjoyed being a part of because of all the screwing around and light-heartedness. But this isn't really about how we feel about it. The question is did JM see it as a big deal. I think it safe to say he did. Would a wolf think it was a big deal? I don't think so. Wouldn't the wolves want the meaningless banter to go on as long as possible?

I really don't want to talk about JM anymore. I think we have our minds made up and will see the outcome at nightfall. At this point, I'm starting to feel like I'm being forced to defend him when all I was trying to say in the beginning was that I don't have enough to vote him night 1. It also feels like we're spending so much time on this that we're losing the forest for the tree.

Well, JB I do not see it to far fetched for a WW to call it out...trying to look as if they are "trying" to find scum. I also find nothing "safe" to believe

Actually, I'm not sure what I think of the whole Pap, Zaff, JM thing. Yes, I found it odd for him to post tht, at the time was it worth a vote NO. Then as he continued to go on saying he hasn't seen it before...well that made me wonder quite a bit more. I actually was thinking at first Pap or Zaff was jumping on too quickly and trying to get others too, but then as I said his continued defense to it...just made it seem wrong.

My mind is far from made up at this point.

 

[jbradt]

Well, I'm not at all surprised that people jumped since it was a very questionable post to begin with. I understand hesitation about voting but saying that you will absolutely not be voting for someone leaves no room for change. And I am talking about today's game day only, since there is still plenty of time to vote. What if nothing better comes up?

I suppose it is also somewhat suspicious that you are already ruling me out as a D1 vote. I was focusing more on the Jm part given the context though.

I knew I missed something... there is always room in my mind for something better to come up. Nothing is ever set in stone with my thinking. If I were to see something about anybody that jumped up and screamed out "I'm a wolf, shoot me with a silver bullet and feed me to your largest droseras", I would vote that way in a heartbeat. I don't care if I'd previously ruled them out totally or not. My opinions on players change drastically at times in the course of one post.

 

[Lady G]

Well, I REALLY have to head off to get some sleep!! I will have to place my vote in the morning before going to work cause I most likely will not be back before nightfall after that.

 

[jpappy789]

Thanks. So, if you're not a WW, then by ruling you out as an option; I've spared a townie night one. One step closer to the goal of lynching a WW. It seems this would strike you as solid reasoning rather than suspicious.

When the odds are in favor of lynching a townie, why are you so against ruling people out? It seems to me that process of elimination is as good a method as any... and better than some.

I'm not against ruling people out but its rather early to be considering someone to be even slightly innocent, no?

Doesn't it make more sense to build a suspect list and by default rule out the people not on the list?

I knew I missed something... there is always room in my mind for something better to come up. Nothing is ever set in stone with my thinking. If I were to see something about anybody that jumped up and screamed out "I'm a wolf, shoot me with a silver bullet and feed me to your largest droseras", I would vote that way in a heartbeat. I don't care if I'd previously ruled them out totally or not. My opinions on players change drastically at times in the course of one post.

What got me was the wording...something I'm a stickler for in these games if you haven't noticed that already. Saying you will not vote someone doesn't leave room for interpretation so the only way I could take that was that you are not going to be voting for either me or JM, end of story.

 

[jbradt]

I'm not against ruling people out but its rather early to be considering someone to be even slightly innocent, no?

Doesn't it make more sense to build a suspect list and by default rule out the people not on the list?



What got me was the wording...something I'm a stickler for in these games if you haven't noticed that already. Saying you will not vote someone doesn't leave room for interpretation so the only way I could take that was that you are not going to be voting for either me or JM, end of story.

If I used the word innocent, it was in a relative sense. I agree totally that it's way too early to rule anyone out in any concrete fashion.

Maybe we are just getting into semantics here, but this game is all about building suspect lists. But at this point, I'm not looking further than tonight's vote. I think we're just solving the puzzle from different ends.

I get what you're saying about being a stickler for wording. I think I've nudged you for it a couple of times, in fact. Always makes me think of Greg Brady. Exact words can get you into trouble. Especially with someone like me who goes more by patterns and context than specific details... usually.

For day 1, that statement is correct if only 99.9% accurate. I will (most likely) not be voting for either you or JM tonight. That is of course, unless something jumps up and screams out "I'm a wolf, please shoot me with a silver bullet and feed me to your largest droseras please!" :screwy:

That being said, I'm thinking of voting Wiz tonight. There's still something not sitting right with me, but I'd rather hear more from him before voting.

 

[rich311k]

I may or may not be home in time for nightfall, depends on traffic. I expect to be.

I vote to lynch Jpap. Mostly because I like to vote for him. Never have a clue what he is. I think JM is in the clear and no one else stands out to me. I plan to be back read the new stuff and hopefully make a better decision.

 

[the wizard]

I'm not a fan when people use the train excuse alone as a reason to gloss over a vote. They are not set in stone and can be retracted at any time, although I do understand time restraints.

I can see people saying that they do not think "so and so" is evil and IN ADDITION the train on "so and so" is making them nervous. But to still allude to them as a likely potential evil but then use this excuse just seems like a nice way to weasel out of the vote and possibly divert attention away short of clearing the person outright.

People never like to think they are being closed minded, especially in mafia games, so it is a strong motivator to keep people away from voting the person especially since two newbs followed closely on the vote. If someone jumps ship and others decide not to vote there for this reason then I could see them deciding to move as well. It's a Lab-esque theory but I thought I would throw that out there.

I guess what I'm getting at is that if Jm is evil, as of now I will be looking at those who have voiced a similar opinion. It's still early enough where that could change too. Off the top of my head I believe Jb and Kash have also said something along these lines but feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I don't want to make the wrong impression that I think Wiz is in fact the person pulling the strings here since I am responding to his post with all of this. I'm actually leaning more towards Jb at this point since he specifically says he isn't going to be voting Jm tonight so to get other suspects out there...that troubles me...go with your top suspect no matter what. By saying you wont vote someone for that reason you're completely going against the central dogma of the game. Your essentially ruling out an option before even knowing what the options are going to be...



Not sure what you want me to say other I do not know Zaffy's alignment as of now and therefore cannot comment on why we are (supposedly) thinking so alike. It's not impossible for two innocents to share similar thoughts, or for mafia to latch on to innocents, or for mafia to risk agreeing in the thread. I don't think it speaks much to either or our roles right now.

What is interesting about your comment is this part:

"I can't recall you two ever posting in such a manner before"

What do you mean by this? It seems like you are saying that our behavior is beyond just two people agreeing on who was suspicious (at the time), like it's to a whole other level of connection. If that is the case then what about our little agreement is so off to you? Or to anyone else for that matter since it seems to be a popular topic.



I don't remember the specific game but I distinctly remember that you have voted for Wycco because he posted a bad joke. I you want to deny it then I will give you the thread and post number...

Nearly every vet has stated they find your post odd because they have seen many jokes votes before. It seems you still are holding to your initial statement though. And the fact that you got completely OMGUSy doesn't make it any better.

I could see you explaining, as Jb did, why you were surprised by the joke votes considering the most recent games and how they began. That seems to be a legit, albeit, subjective response. With all the joking in the sign up thread going on I, personally, wasn't surprised at all that people would be taking the beginning lightly. However you stretched the truth about seeing more joke votes in this game than before (which with two/three joke votes being put out of 15 players is hardly true). That is something that needs to be called out...

I thought that my meaning was clear. Many people agree with each other in their thoughts and interpretations of things. Be it something said, done or just a little mannerism.

However, when these two people express their interpretations, the words come out much more differently. Your posts and zaffy's posts appeared to be too close for comfort.

What I mean by that and I believe others have noticed and commented on it as well, is that they almost appeared, I want to say "good cop, bad cop" but that doesn't work because in that scenario, one of the interrogators tries to appear on the detainees side. I guess at 5 a.m. the closest I can come to explaining it is "bad cop worse cop"

Does that make sense?

 

[the wizard]

If I used the word innocent, it was in a relative sense. I agree totally that it's way too early to rule anyone out in any concrete fashion.

Maybe we are just getting into semantics here, but this game is all about building suspect lists. But at this point, I'm not looking further than tonight's vote. I think we're just solving the puzzle from different ends.

I get what you're saying about being a stickler for wording. I think I've nudged you for it a couple of times, in fact. Always makes me think of Greg Brady. Exact words can get you into trouble. Especially with someone like me who goes more by patterns and context than specific details... usually.

For day 1, that statement is correct if only 99.9% accurate. I will (most likely) not be voting for either you or JM tonight. That is of course, unless something jumps up and screams out "I'm a wolf, please shoot me with a silver bullet and feed me to your largest droseras please!" :screwy:

That being said, I'm thinking of voting Wiz tonight. There's still something not sitting right with me, but I'd rather hear more from him before voting.

I appreciate your wanting to hear more before voting, but, you should have asked me more last night.

I do recall if my answers were satisfactory to you and stated if not then put the questions you have to me one at a time and I would respond.

I have to leave for work early today and don't know if I can get back before night fall.

I do recall that you had an issue with me joking about chill's avatar and said that I had an aversion to anything wolfy. I didn't respond to that as I was looking to other posts trying to figure where to place my vote today.

I don't do chinese food, it is delicious but has no staying power. I don't like to stuff myself till about to burst only to be hungry an hour later.

I prefer a nice big thick steak sitting on the grill cooked to medium rare. An ice cold beer in my hand while grilling it. A couple of baked potatoes on the side with a heaping pile of buttered peas or steamed brockley smothered in butter.

You fill yourself with that and there is no way you will be hungry in an hour.

If you have specific questions for me then ask. If I get home in time I will answer if I don't feel free to vote me.

I would rather get lynched D1 where the town can learn something from the voting patterns than to end up hit by the WW where nothing can be learned by my demise.

 

[the wizard]

I would like to add on the zaffy,JP issue, if it were JP only questioning JM like that I would not have thought much about it as it is normal for JP to be that forward and tenacious.

The question came to my mind when he was joined by Zaffy and it almost seemed like they were taking turns.

That being said, I need to go back through and see if I can find a place to vote that I feel comfortable with.

I have enough of a "read" (if you will) to see who I would be watching and to develop possible suspects but not enough to say "here is the scum let's lynch them"

 

[the wizard]

As I sit here trying to figure where to vote, I have a question for the noobs. Now I can understand UN being quiet, last game as an innocent he slipped once and got lynched fairly quickly and definately.

To our first-timers, I ask this: With all the anticipation and questioning of when the game started, I find your lack of posts to be a little concerning.

It seems from my experience, first timers do one of two things, they either don't participate or they over post and get themselves lynched.

I see to much restraint in our noobs posts for comfort. I also know the kind of advice that is given them in scum dens about how to post and how much to post.

Many of us, myself included, don't like voting noobs D1. We like to see new players come in and stick around to play future games.

Being a noob does not however, give you a buy in my book. The roles are random and a noob could just as easily get the PM stating scum as any of our vocal players.

I won't vote there today but would like to know what the new player's have to say about their enthusiasm and then scarcity in the game.