Mafia 88: Insane Asylum (Game Thread)

[[AC] BadHaggis]

@Rickets: So the fact that he hasn't done anything to really help the town yet means nothing to you? And the fact he was both there, active, and more the able to tell others to dig, but didn't, means nothing to you? And then, on top of that, he did so repeatedly. That just oozes scum to me, but each to their own...

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

First off, welcome to the game, New Nem!



I made myself look scummy. I understand that, and do not blame him for voting me, I earned it, and am trying my best to make up for my earlier mistakes.





Response is (or should be) in sync with the post.

Ok, so maybe saying 75/90% was a little overboard, my bad.
Train related part: I was called out for jumping a train or something, was it the coin flip one? IDK for sure, but someone called me out on my vote, so I returned to favor.
The 75/90% to possible was due to hammer being evil, when I though him innocent. That messed with my trust in gut feeling.
There is a difference between excuses and reason, Nem. It all depends on if you beleive them or not, I know for fact that I felt like crap at the time, only after dinner did I feel well enough to vote.
I felt the no vote was a safe option for the town, mainly because I had no cases of my own at the time, and did not want to vote off an innocent. In case you missed it, Gun was an innocent, so my no vote would have been the better choice in that scenario.
I did not have a good reason to vote anyone else, and Gun was giving me a bad feeling. Granted, he was innocent, but that was not known at the time.
I do not make lists unless absolutely necessary. And constancy is not my middle name...



I look at people on a day-by-day basis. Any problems with that?
Of course I didn't put myself on the list, I know my role, and it's not evil, thats a definite.
Yes, I know I posted a list. I still don't like it, but if I recall right there were a number of people asking.

That was a VERY strong and suspicious statement for D1

Yes, old Nem called it a train, however, neither scoop nor old Nem had trains on them at the time. That was my point.

So your 75-90% was based mainly on gut feel? What about the fact that you said regarding Nem "I agree with several arguments on him."? I believe you even offered a few quotes when questioned. Seems like there was more than just gut there yet both practically dropped off the face of the earth by D2.

I wasn't doubting your excuses, or reasons or whatever you want to call them. But in context with you actual gameplay I cannot just ignore your posts like you want people to...

No cases of your own? Didn't you just vote for Tib and present a list of reasons the night before? Sure, half of it was based on what scoop said but I am pretty sure you said yourself that you would have picked up on those things whether scoop said them first or not. Why didn't you even consider voting for Tib again? And yes, hindsight is 20-20. Gun was innocent and you didn't vote gun initially...big whoop. Fact is you moved to gun based off of a shoddy post that the OP never even labeled as a case or a reason they would vote for Gun. Yet you named that as your main case when voting. I find it funny that your excuse for a no vote was that you didn't have a case of your own but when you did vote you used another person's post...

So now you are making amendments to your rule? Before it was no lists because they are distracting, and now it is unless necessary...isn't for the purpose of rooting out scum enough reason to keep a list? My problem with your day-to-day style is that it is a nice way for scum to cover tracks. Lists at least give concrete indication as to who suspects are. Without them people have to dig more to find the inconsistencies. And as for wing's list, the point is that Rick wasn't even on the list you quoted yet you bumped your name off of it when it was in the second spot and for some reason added Rick.

It's hypocritical, but it happens to everyone. I did it once already in this game, and I hate that I did. Scoop has become notoriuos for it. I have no strong read on Driver at this point and time.


I think of a lot of things, they don't all get put into text, I think everyone can say that. I am not suggesting and have no power to make the Detective come out, it was a suggestion I thought merited discussion, apparently no one agrees with me. Nem is a piece of information, I would like to know that piece to have a more complete picture. Whether Nem is good, bad, or ugly has little bearing on how valuable the info is.

Can you please explain again how knowing my role would help you with the "complete picture"?

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

blah...sorry about the coloring in the quote. I was going to color code but decided not to...must have forgotten to remove the tags from the quote itself.

 

[[AC] Old3Toes]

Seeing as I started playing all of 6 hours ago I'm not in a rush, atm. I will be able to post most of tomorrow anyways so plenty of time to discuss before solidifying a vote...

At least you have put out a suspect list.

 

[[AC] Old3Toes]

Chup, is it safe to assume that you have Driver, BH and Rickets leaning innocent as you were unwilling to vote for any of them and put a lone vote out there. Do you have a suspect list. Really it would be good for everyone to put out a list of four.

 

[[AC] Old3Toes]

Here is my list -

driver8
mael
rickets
scoop

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

Not sure who my fourth would be at this point. Need to look into things more...

 

[[AC] Tiburon321]

Plain and simple, we got lucky Hammer self-destructed when he came after me. Beyond that, the scum has been hitting our most active/vocal townies and PRs one after another. Our collective town wisdom lynched a UD, for goodness sake.......... even after Wing warned us to have alternate votes ready to post so our lynch might still count for something. And the thread stays quiet, why? Because the mafia isn't doing anything to stop us from killing each other off for them.

You really want the town to keep going with the flow? Okay then. Perhaps that tells us something significant about the side you're on.

Personally, I'd rather we take a closer look at players we should have suspected, but haven't yet. That's not going to happen if we all stay in agreement and go the same direction.

I agree that everyone should be looked at. I find myself agreeing with a lot of Chongo's arguments which could be a bad sign (if they're who I'm thinking they are, they almost always fool me when they're scum). At this point, I can't find a single person I can trust. The one I was trusting most was Wing, and they were hit last nightfall.

As far as the alternate votes so we wouldn't lynch a UD, I was ready to move, but with Gun not having been around and me really thinking he was scum, I didn't want to move off someone I thought scummy in case he slid the vote in last minute. Hindsight is 20/20 and yeah, I should have moved so I didn't end up lynching a UD innocent, but can't go back and change that now.

This is D1 and it really bothers me that BH can flat out say that they already think not one, but TWO players are 75-90% evil. Those players being scoop and Nem.

I agree with this post by Nem (nice to have an active Nem). I shortened it so y'all would know what post I'm referring to without taking up a whole bunch of space. I think Nem effectively summed up just how scummy Haggis has been throughout this game, especially with the wishy-washy/non-committal play.

To those that have not voted yet, any reasons why you are dragging your feet?

What's the matter O3T? One of your scummates in the running for the lynch? Worried about how the vote will go? I don't vote until I'm ready. I meant it when I said I had a bad day yesterday and needed a break from this game. I'll vote when I'm ready.

Why would Mad's posts mention role blocking? Only pro-town PRs are affected by the role block. Those actions, aside from Vig who is dead, don't get posts.


This isn't hard to rationalize, we need to lynch scum (duh). The Detective will know if the roleblock was used because they would not have gotten a result back one night. IF they have a positive scum hit AND the roleblock has been used, they could safetly come out and have the Doc protect them. That is not insidious, it is fact, irrefutable fact. Lynch me for offering the suggestion, but freaking read my posts and lynch me with some understanding of what I am saying.

Generally, in most mafia games, when a power like that is used, the mod makes some sort of note about it so everyone knows what happened.

I understood what you were saying. What I find scummy is your initial "no downside" to the detective coming out. If you had stated in that initial post that the detective might want to come out if they had found scum and ONLY IF the role block had been used so they can be protected, I wouldn't take as much issue with it. As it reads, you are throwing that idea out there with "no downside". Seems to me like you're hoping a player with less experience is detective and they'd just throw their findings out there. Easy way to catch the det if you're scum.

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

I went back to look at UhOh. This post is what concerns me the most at the moment, since I am still waiting for their response to chup's post.

I have found through my digging too many suspects and not enough innocents. Rick has been non existent lately. Seems he disappeared right after some started agreeing that he could be suspect.

Haven't seen Mael or Gold. (sidenote if Gold's issue is still a problem we may not see him hope that is not the case.)

Gun has been absent since being looked into as well.

Rick is still my top suspect. But with the vote count the way it is, it would be too easy for the scum to maneuver it to a tie resulting in no lynch but they woulod still get their hit.

I have considered all the input from everyone and I do have to agree. D1 and D2, Gun would be around and make little comments here and there. In the midst of what got stirred up by HH, he went pretty much unnoticed. Did a good job of flying under the radar.

However. with all the digging I have done this weekend, I have to say that I did not see where Gun actually really questioned anyone. He may have asked questions but didn't really kick any bushes as far as I can tell. For that reason,

I VOTE TO LYNCH GUNSLINGER

UhOh spent most of D2 going after Rick despite finally jumping on to Doom. And then D3 they pulled a lot of posts from various people (scoop, Nar, gold to name a few). They then say that from all this digging they have gained multiple suspects...but where does the vote land? Gun.

Gun was one of the few people that UhOh didn't explicitly read into during the course of the day. He/she is only mentioned in passing. And the reasoning for suspecting them is based on what others had mentioned leading up to nightfall.

 

[[AC] narwhal]

Here is my list -

driver8
mael
rickets
scoop

Would you give a short blurb about why you've picked these players. It would help so that we don't have to search through posts to find your reasoning.