Mafia #90-The Split

[Fishfriend1]

No matter how many times you say it, it's still 2 lines on a normal skin using a computer.

Um, no, 3 lines. Just to make it extra clear, I'm using a mac with about a 1ft wide screen. So, again, it all depends on A)The size you have your wording at, B)Size of screen, C) type of computer

The I showed up and you all started looking at me. And that's where my investigation ends. Lousy last post, eh? SO, here is what I have out of this whole thing.

Bally skimmed, voted for a bad reason, screwed up days and numbers, and posted an "excuse" that she rendered invalid in her very next post.

Gold_Leader and Star_Crossed, collectively, saw this, and went on the offensive. Maybe the fact that did so almost simultaneously and saw almost identical things is just coincidence... I doubt it, but that's just me. They managed to get Bally to spill that she skimmed, which could have been an attempt to get others to just think her entire set of posts were stupid and unworthy of noticing. Or just trying to make up a reason her vote was stupid (i've done that).

So, my opinion of this is that I don't think I'm going to have an opinion of it... that is I withdraw my vote on Gold_Leader because I do not think they are mafia. I do not think that Bally is mafia either, so I won't vote her. I don't think Star is all that evil anymore either now.

However, the really low posters, or the fluff posters, those are people I will look into next, right after I finish my English stuff.

 

[Fishfriend1]

I would like to make note of this: Just because I do not have Gold, Star or Bally on the top of my list (insofar as iI even have a list) I will still be keeping an eye on them...

 

[Fishfriend1]

Kashta (7), Zaffy (9), HIIQ (9), and DD(10) all have as many or less posts then LG, the moderator. What are your thoughts on what has happened so far today? Do you have any?

Rich has 11 posts, just 1 more the LG. So Rich, what are your thoughts on day 1 so far?

I'll be rereading their posts to see if they have made good ones or not.

 

[Fishfriend1]

So, before the below post, Zaffy had nothing but a few day 1 fluff posts, obvious fluff too. (it involved a sippy cup)

Who is skimming now? The town doesn't get a hit. Which mafia team are you on?

Here Zaffy jumps right in with a seemingly serious post. No more fluff. He then accuses me of being evil.

I have to agree here, I've seen all sorts of craziness and conspiracy among scum teams and innocent townies.

I certainly won't discard the idea that Gold and Star are working together. There's a Goldstar joke in here somewhere.

And look here, he agrees with me now.

To clarify, my comment above isn't meant to say that I have any reason to believe they are working together either.

And then un-agrees with me here. Seems to me like he's just trying to not pick sides. Probably saw how well that had worked out for me and decided against it.

Do you think either of them are scum? Who do you think they would pick?

Zaffy, again with the serious posting. But by now, serious posting is more then acceptable.

I asked that in response to what was already speculation. DD has said:

So I wanted to know who DD did think would be chosen as a team since she didn't think they would pick each other.

And he defends himself.

BTW, he only has 8 posts, one was a double post, so it doesn't count.

All in all, I don't think Zaffy has done a lot to contribute. Just poked here and there, just enough not to be noticed.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Howdy folks. How goes it?

I think rum makes a fine breakfast drink.

No, but I would love to be a beach bum.

How do we know that Z is a boxer man?

You would think more people would care about Zak's undies.

or Zaf's even.

Just a bunch of fluff here...

Great have not even voted on day one and half the town is dead.

Rich's comment on the dead townies.

Where not you the one who said rules where rules. Now the UDs bother you?

Rich pokes at Gold

2 are Dons so that would be 4/11 not quite half but close enough. I also meant it figuratively.

Rich defends himself

Bally - Do you really think we were going to bo convinced that was such a long post you did not have time to read it? You sure jumped on my question awfully quickly. I was just fishing.

Just adds his little bit of encouragement to the Anti-Bally argument...

Guys hard to find a bunch of quality post on day one. List each others posts from today only shows your quoting skills if you ask me. Puts both of you on my list.

So you have a list?

And that's every post he's made so far. Does anyone else see helpfulness, or am I right it thinking there isn't anything there that actually helps the town?

 

[Lady G]

You didn't post a nightfall sequence of events. Is that something you can tell us? How many hits or turns will there be every night? What happens if both scum teams try to hit or turn the same player the same night? Do they cancel each other out?

Were the 2 Dons assigned at random, random/tweaked, or selected?

Your writeup says the blackmailer gets to stop someone's vote. Does that mean that's all they can do is stop or block a vote? Blackmailer's usually get to control another player's vote by forcing them to vote against someone specific.

Ok, there are several things I did not make clear in my hast to get the game started, and I am sorry to all. I will answer everything and there are some things different then I intended.

1) Nightly events..
Blackmail/thief
Lynch
Dr. Protection
Mafia hit
turns (these will no longer take effect)

2)As for the tuns, each team sent in 3 names which one was randomly selected. Then it was suppose to happen again (same way) after nightfall one, nightfall 2 was sppose to send in 1 name each if same name was picked that person would die same if Dr. or detective was picked. Since I did not make that clear in the rules it will not happen (sorry mafia).

3) yes, the Dons and all roles were random

4) Yes, they should of been able to "control" a vote, I did not make that clear either...so they can only block a vote from happening.

Also for Lady G:
Rule 1 says we have to vote which is pretty standard. But the only mention of a UD is in Rule 3 where it says we have to post within the 24 hour period. It doesn't actually say we UD if we don't vote........ that's also what made me ask about the sequence of nightfall events. Would you clarify that for us that any "no vote" results in a UD?

There is no UD for not voting, I was hoping to minimize UD's by taking that out and leave it to the town to decide how to deal with them, obviously that didn't happen...since several did not apparently read the rules and see what actually would cause a ud.

 

[rich311k]

FF I am sorry my play is not up to snuff for you. I pointed out what I thought. I must say you really did put some time into this. My list exists as a mental memo not and actual naughty or nice concrete thing, much to early for that. I actually have no real idea who I am going to lynch. We shall see.

I would actually like to hear what Bally has to say to my comment, I just do not beleive she really thought we would think that post was long.

The rest of this is day one poking and pushing. I see little in it yet but the day is young.

 

[Fishfriend1]

do they still make Bacardi Breezer's?

Day 1 fluffernutter...

holy smokes!! 4 people knocked out that quick! I better read the rules!

Her response to the UDs

FF.... you actually had me go to dictionary.com to see what you were talking about with "rudimentary".....

My personal favorite quote from the game so far... :dance:

So I was listening to the FF, Bally, Star, and Gold stuff going on and am a little unsettled as to who is being deceitful. At first I was totally thinking Bally could have been honestly mixed up. then I read this stuff...

I noticed this too so I had to go back and pull the post.

FF's rescue post is in response to this.... FF, would you respond to Star this way?

ummmm..... defending Noods? I think you are leading in my book, FF... what's that all about?

FF, is noods in the game?

The noods/Bally mix up, she asks me a few questions. Note, she only asked me questions after the Gold/Star/Bally/FF thing popped up. Opportunistic much?

I really wouldn't consider her not retracting her post immediately as scum tell..... she has the option to change her vote any time before night fall..... so I am failing to see why that would be an obvious thing.

I don't think Bally would pick FF nor do I think FF would pick Bally.... could both of them be dons on each side, sure.....

DD doesn't see Bally and me being on the same team.

good point

but then again thinking more about this post, I wouldn't put it past FF either

And thats it...

I'm not seeing any town-helpful posts here. Just looks like agreeing and poking at people who are already under the spotlight to me.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Isn't that what you would call Zaf's boxers when he passes out in a chair on a Saturday night?...such a waste of rum.

5) You can claim anything in the game, but it can not be proven with my PM.

The Lady must get around.....

Day 1 fluff. Acceptable.

4 down out of a small game of 13....and all innocent at the time.

Response to the UDs

Guess the new math is in play....4/13 = 1/2..?

This is either day 1 fluff or really good distancing... Ima go with day 1 fluff.

Depends on how you hold the phone last time I checked...just saying...

I am surprised the Lady isn't demanding clarification on the boxers/briefs theory....maybe she just likes the thought of neither.....

:evil_lol:

This is another wad of day 1 fluff. Long after the real day 1 fluff has ended.

Let's see...typical day one chit chat....

An arguement about lines in a screen....

And some generic finger pointing....

Pretty self centered to indirectly deem your posts are "real" and others are "skirting"....

Chill.

Basically, HIIQ just mass-quotes Gold_Leader then posts nothing about them but a tiny little bit of what may very well be distancing. Interesting.

So, HIIQ, do you have anything do add to day one? Your saying that others have posted fluff, well, I say "Pot, meet kettle". You've posted more fluff in less posts then anyone else playing so far. That can't possibly be something a townie would do. And that little bit against Gold, that looks just like distancing to me. Does anyone else here see the distancing in that last of his few posts?

 

[Fishfriend1]

Hi folks. Couldn't get here sooner and I'm at work now so it'll be lunchtime before I can post more.

Let's go AcVille!

Into post. Then she vanishes for the next day or so.

I barely avoided that UD and have some catching up to do. Will start at the beginning.

Lady G, there're a few things I'm not sure of about the rules and roles:

You didn't post a nightfall sequence of events. Is that something you can tell us? How many hits or turns will there be every night? What happens if both scum teams try to hit or turn the same player the same night? Do they cancel each other out?

Were the 2 Dons assigned at random, random/tweaked, or selected?

Your writeup says the blackmailer gets to stop someone's vote. Does that mean that's all they can do is stop or block a vote? Blackmailer's usually get to control another player's vote by forcing them to vote against someone specific.

Also for Lady G:

Rule 1 says we have to vote which is pretty standard. But the only mention of a UD is in Rule 3 where it says we have to post within the 24 hour period. It doesn't actually say we UD if we don't vote........ that's also what made me ask about the sequence of nightfall events. Would you clarify that for us that any "no vote" results in a UD?

Kashta asks for clarification on the rules. Personally, I understood them right away, but that's just me.

Alright, it's late and I've been through the posts too many times. I'll post up the ones I've pulled for comment and I might have to place a vote before going to sleep.... just in case. I may not get up early enough to do that in the morning. I also never know if I'll be able to sneak on from work at all and I seldom get a chance to be here during nightfall anymore.

But first, this one....

You know, FF... I really don't appreciate you taking that tone. It's very easy to UD in a game where it normally takes 48 hours to UD for not voting in time. I don't know about everyone else, but I've never seen this 24 hour rule in force before -- and -- Lady G said nothing about us having a short posting deadline like that in the sign up thread BEFORE the game started. If you're not here to see the game thread when it first appeared, how would you know there was a deadline at all??????

When this game thread was created, I was already at work... and Monday mornings are very hectic for me. It's only by luck that I didn't UD too because of that.

I understand being unsympathetic towards regular UDs because they don't bother to vote within 48 hours. That just isn't the same circumstance. I fail to see where you come off ridiculing others like this over something they probably didn't know about.

It was mentioned in the sign up thread, actually... so they had no excuse at all.

Well, here is what I'm thinking for the game, to give everyone more of my plans....

The Roles...

2 People will get a PM stating they are the Don of their team, at game start you will need to send me 3 names you would like to join your team, I will randomly pick which one will be added. After first nightfall, I will need another 3 names and one will be placed on your team. After second nightfall I will need a name that will have a 50/50 chance of becoming a team mate...if both Don's send in the same name the person will die and neither team will get a new member. If the Doctor or the Detective is chosen by either Don they will die also. Each Mafia team will have 3 investigations and their hits will alternate, if they get a investigation, they will not have a hit for that night. I will randomly decide which team gets the first nights hit. Each group may communicate with their team mates, if you loose your Don you will loose your hits.

The Doctor- can protect one person each night from a hit, they can not protect themself and can communicate with the Detective.

The Detective- Can investigate the towns people in hopes to find the mafia and can communicate with the Doctor.

The Thief-Can stop a lynch or hit from happening, this is theirs to use one time and must be used by night 5 by sending me a pm as soon as possible after any nightfall letting me know which they would like to use for the next night.

The blackmail- This person can stop someone's vote from counting, one time. The PM must be sent as soon as possible after a nightfall to be used the following night. You cannot reveal you were the blackmail person to anyone.

There will be no UD's for not voting, although realize the town can deal with you in what ever way they see fit, it is not helpful in any way to not vote. UD's will happen if you have not posted with in 24hrs. You can not vote for yourself or no one.

Botched hit/lynch- One night (which will be selected randomly before game start) there will be a botched hit or lynch. I will randomly select if it is the hit or lynch that will be botched before game start also.

Yep, right there. Mind you, it wasn't until later that I checked, so my previous reply to her post (kashta's) stands. THey had 24 hours to check the thread, they should have done so.

As for my vote, I've read and reread the exchanges between Bally and several others. I'm inclined to agree with what Star pointed out that Bally seems to be acting the way she does when she's scum. At least, her posts have me leaning her more likely scum than innocent or neutral at this point.

I vote to lynch Bally.

There isn't a whole lot to go on and that seems to be the best vote placement I can find this early.

I read another post Bally made which made me say, hey... wait a minute. That doesn't sound right. In that post, Bally included this post made by Star (below).

In response to that, Bally explained why she thought there were only 3 dead innocents.

So Bally...... the "real" reason you miscounted was because you skimmed. Hmm.

Had this been all that was in the thread, I might not question this. However, I've just read your earlier post that shows you were at the site/game thread when Lady G posted the UD death scene.

And here is your actual reaction to us losing 4 innocents...... not 3.

This doesn't ring true to me now. First, Bally reacted to the actual event....... as it happened. But later when questioned about that, she claimed she messed up the number because she "skimmed" someone else's post much later on.

Bally, did you skim Lady G's death post too?

Your reaction to the UD event may not have been real strong (uh, wow...), but it was timely. And you obviously saw that 4 innocents died because you reacted to Lady G's post with a response post of your own. For that reason, I can't say I believe your "skimming" rationale.

That, along with the rest from Bally bickering about how many lines it takes to display a short post on an iPod and all.... I just don't see Bally being pro-town thus far.

See, now if Gold or Star had stated it this clearly, I would have agreed right away. Bally, you just keep looking scummier as I watch.

Although I agree with Star on some points in regards to Bally, I am still a little concerned about one phrase from Star that really stood out for me.

"Building cases" on players because they "look scummy" is a totally opportunistic way to play.... and that's often a scum-tell in itself.

I have no choice but to disagree. WHen you see someone who looks scummy, you look for a case against them to support it. Then, almost certainly, you will find something to back that up, because you see what you want to see. Like my "case" against Gold and Star. It may have been wrong (still not sure about that) and if it was then I connected the wrong dots because thats what I wanted to see. I didn't want to see Bally as evil after having defended her in my way, so I didn't. Opinion is what makes people look at others, and only by resetting your opinion can you make a case THEN see the scumminess.

These are some other posts I feel warrant a comment.

I agreed with that when I read it. Then I agreed with DD and others when it was discussed a bit more, which left me unresolved about it.

This is post that followed which concerns me more than the rest.

Zaffy seems to think it's a good idea for us to really get into speculation mode. Not a good direction for us to take for the town's sake, if you ask me.

DD replied to Zaffy too.... and I suspect that's what Zaffy was trying to accomplish.

On that point, DD, I'd have to say I disagree with your statement. There are 3 aliases in the game. I seriously doubt anyone as Don would choose someone totally unknown to them under an alias as their first (only?) turn opportunity before they get a chance to evaluate alias players based on game posting.

I agree with the anti-speculation mode idea, but don't see how you think the Don's would choose not to pick an Alias. All the people who would be... undesirable (for various reasons) were in the game with their real name. Which means that a Alias would most likely be someone who is a vet and is also skilled at the game. Not saying that they would have picked an Alias, but I do not want to put the Alias players out of the possibility.

And that's everything for Kashta. I see nothing to complain about here.

I think I've covered all the low posters now.