Mafia 97: Patrick Mafia, Crazy for Swayze the game

[jbradt]

Also, 2H... why are you so concerned about teammates as opposed to... oh, I don't know... finding scum?

 

[jpappy789]

I'm loosing you Pap, how can the townies go after a threat on day one when we have no idea who anyone is?

Jb placed a very early vote on Wiz, switched to Lab, and then back to Wiz again. I don't understand why a townie would do that so early in the game. Personally I wouldn't risk a possible valued teammate on day 1 with a few less valuable choices available.

That is what confused me as well which is why I wanted to know what context that statement was in...

 

[TwoHobbies]

7:11pm

11:04pm


This is your input after 4 hours of reading?

curiouser and curiouser

Actually wasn't home for those four hours, and now I'm going to bed.

 

[Fishfriend1]

This is my big bad day 1 response post for you fellow mafia players. Wish me luck with it!

To start, I notice that no one ever said "FIRST!" so I feel obliged to do so: FIRST! :evil_lol:

Next up is this:

So do we have to vote using these assigned names then? LOL

Pappy is already skimming.

Now speaking of codes, Pappy joked that he couldn't let DD have all the fun. DD then responded by saying "Thanks for holding me in check Pappy". Just to make it fair, since DD made a fuss over me-n-AAF's "conversation" I'll make note that it could have been a code to tell DD not to, say, use a power. If such is the case and skimming is the code, well, DD's power wouldn't have been used yet. I highly doubt this is true, but it popped into my head and is therefor worth putting up against you others in the game to see what you think.

Probably should talk about the game. The scum team not being able to communicate outside the thread presents an opportunity for the town. Some normally so-so tells could become lots more interesting.

Mad is the first to think about making the game serious. Perhaps this is to help the town self-destruct (which it normally does) or perhaps just trying to get some honest talking up.

First, let me thank Pat-A-patpatpat for the video. I am not a Letterman fan but that was funny, great way to end a work day.

On to the game, I do agree with Mad that the 24hr communication will work in the town's favor if we are smart about this.

For example, I came into this game planning to watch for signal to noise ratio on D1 and vote in such a way as to eliminate some of the noise. Yet, the SNR has been clean. That is, I know it is early in D1, and we have Thanksgiving tomorrow, but am I the only one to notice little to no posting from FF and AAF?

Just a thought but I think it bears watching.

I've almost destroyed my pseudo-case against Labby. It was Wiz (innocent) who first brought up the whole deal with myself and AAF not posting. However, I do think that Labby was the first to state the lie/misunderstanding/bad assumption that both myself and AAF had said we would have plenty of time to play.

frank has his pat-a-cake and hokey pokey moments. letterman... not so much.

This just made me lol

At around this time, AAF posted his controversial posts, one where he said he was "keeping up with the thread", the next where his mother was ill, to a very similar question of why he wasn't here.

My thoughts initially? Something I would have done is at first try to pretend nothing is wrong, then give the excuse. Depending on the situation, one of the two would be completely or mostly false. Usually the second one, regardless of my role. So I can't really say for sure which role AAF is yet.

Happy turkey day, all.

I start my work week in a couple hours, so I need to vote just to make sure I have one in.

I vote to lynch the Wiz.

It just feels right. Subject to change if I can get back before nightfall.

First vote on wiz, a gut feeling.

After this, AAF expends his original reason for not being there from his mom is sick to he is sick. Again, something I would do when under pressure and regardless of role. And again, the excuse is usually a lie to try and get away from the pressure, which I generally don't like.

so what you are saying is you find it weird that there "hasn't been" much off topicness.... are you for real? Is it just me or did I just read 2 pages worth of football and other sports? I find it weird that you would even stick your neck out to point this out... would you like to vote on anyone since there hasn't been much off topicness?

sorry to hear this, AAF... hope things get better for her and you...

That is definitely one of the dumb things I would say. Usually just a lax of thought or foolish bit of typing. However, he does have a point. We had aprox 2 days before nightfall when mad posted that it was time to play the game properly, so I can understand why he would think this.

This post makes me really nervous...

Why? Sorry to make you go back and re-read all that stuff.

Now AAF starts babbling about his story, going into detail. This is what I do when I realize I've A)been caught in a lie, or B)have failed to remove the pressure and am starting to panic. Considering how similar AAF and I are, he could be going down either path. Again, this is regardless of role, so I can't be sure of his role yet.

I think you might want to take that post in context...it was the morning after my 21st birthday. I thought I was being funny LOL.

You're only 21? Dang, I thought you were like 35 or somethin! Happy B-Day (way late) and avoid the alcohol, it WILL kill you eventually. Finally, don't post when drunk or suffering from drunken-like symptoms of anything. Something I learned the hard way (when I get tired I get VERY strange... even for me).

I would think with AAF being in his 3rd or 4th game, he would drop the noob roll... I dunno, I find it odd that anyone can call anyone a noob after their first game. I guess I find it odd with the chain of responses that AAF posted too and his questioning of off topicness..... was it the patch and the stress, could be.... I would hate to think that someone would lie for mafia with those circumstances.

Oh I can totally believe that someone would lie like that. I've made up stranger (and dumber) stories in the past. Regardless of role mind you, I hate being lynched.

Then there was a short newb debate. Anyone can be a newb, sometimes people just have an off game. Doesn't mean that they are to be ignored, just remember it IS is 4th game I think. He still has a ways to go.

When wizard made a connection between JB saying AAF is a newb and that meaning he gets a free pass, several people voted him. Namely, UN and DD. They didn't have very good reasons, DD: wizard DIDN'T pick on Pappys joke, he merely noted it and later accepted it for a joke, UN: the "freebe" thing.

TBH, I was more with 2H, not really much to go on depending on your point of view. That's mostly what I was thinking yesterday, when I made my pseudo-case against Labby.

AAF's reason for voting Mad, "i dont see what he's getting at", is weak at best. Something I do, but usually with more pomp, flair, and some dumb comment that screws me over. I generally have the same game evil or good, so this helps me not at all.

I agree with Wiz, UN's vote on him was rather opprotunistic and more of a "let me hide here so I don't get in trouble" vote. Since Pappy had been the vote Un followed, it seems likely that UN would have been thinking he could hide behind Pappy as a second vote, not enough to be the kill vote, but in there where he would be unnoticed. Too bad he went against wiz. The same can be said for DD, but hers was more risky a move.

I find it interesting that the focus went from AAF to Wizard without seeming to until you fast forward it like I did (re-reading). Just... curious. Something that happens to me if I'm lucky and stop talking.

From what I have seen in the thread at this point, I would flip a coin between AAF and UN and be confident no matter which way it fell.

I wish I could have asked why UN... AAF I can understand, but all UN had really done was have a crappy reason for voting Wiz...

Then rich Votes UN for the same reason as Wiz thinking UN is probably evil. I don't know, but that seems just as opportunistic as UN's vote.

UN starts to villanize Wiz when it comes out that he and wiz are tied. IMO, he's trying to get votes on Wiz so he won't be lynched.

JB votes Wiz for the reason of not wanting a tied vote on day 1. IDKW, but that just seems to be a super-newbi choice, unless he had a reason for thinking that UN was innocent.

Then I voted UN and tied it up by accident and night was called two posts and 2 minutes later. I do think I have stated all my thoughts on Day 1 above, and will now summarize them and note points I felt were rather key to the game.

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So, my thoughts on the AAF thing: he overreacted and spiraled into a massive defensive story (true or a lie), and, as always happens with me, he panicked and everyone started looking into him.

I do not think that JB was defending AAF, he seemed more against Mad then for AAF. Besides that, unless AAF got a really important evil PR, why would JB risk his neck for another? Not something I see him doing, especially considering AAF "newbiness".

It is rather strange of Mad to place a vote for such a weak reason so early in day 1. Not like him, but then, I'm not the best choice to judge Mads game play.

I still think JB's vote to untie the game was a bad vote for a bad reason. He had no reason to do so, except to protect UN. Considering he had felt strongly enough about Labby to vote her, I don't see how changing it was a townie thing to do. As we all know, Wizard turned out to be innocent.

Since I work all day tomorrow as well, I will have to vote now: I vote to lynch UN. I think that the situation is to convenient for him, if I hadn't come in to vote him last minute he would have been perfectly safe. JB, you are also high on my radar for that vote switch.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Not to quibble over details, FF... but if you worked until 9, there's no way you would have made it home for nightfall. Nightfall was just a couple of minutes after 9pm on the east coast.

Stop making me confused! I'm tired, I've been working since about 8 in the morning today, and 7:30 yesterday, and thanksgiving the day before... good grief I'm surprised I can still think enough to type this. As it is, my mind is plenty boggled and easily gets facts mixed up. IDK why, but I thought nightfall was at 10 last night. This is the point I come to the conclusion that I need to get some sleep and make my hasty and drunken (you know, tripping over his own feet because he's so tired) exit.

 

[jpappy789]

Well I'm going to be in the car for a good portion of tomorrow and then will not be around tomorrow evening, at least around nightfall. That means I need to get a vote in now.

I thought I was going to vote 2H if nothing else came up but I'm kind of wavering on that now. I don't think JB and him are both scum. Could both be innocent but I do believe at least one of them almost has to be at this point. IMO it's gone past distancing.

DD's talk about FF and AAF communicating through the thread was weird, but not sure I could call that scummy right now.

Other than that there has been little input so far since nightfall. What has caught my attention recently is FF's confidence in Lab being scum without throwing a vote and then doing almost a 180 when he returned tonight. Also the fact that he accuses me of skimming in order to get out of answering a pretty simple question.

I vote to lynch FF

 

[jbradt]

Apparently you didn't read the post where I explained how I chose to switch to Wiz. Or was that just not good enough for you? I'm fine with being on your list btw. Keep looking all you want.

 

[jbradt]

Stop making me confused! I'm tired, I've been working since about 8 in the morning today, and 7:30 yesterday, and thanksgiving the day before... good grief I'm surprised I can still think enough to type this. As it is, my mind is plenty boggled and easily gets facts mixed up. IDK why, but I thought nightfall was at 10 last night. This is the point I come to the conclusion that I need to get some sleep and make my hasty and drunken (you know, tripping over his own feet because he's so tired) exit.

I've got to call shenanigans on this. Where's my broom?

 

[allaboutfish]

This is my big bad day 1 response post for you fellow mafia players. Wish me luck with it!

To start, I notice that no one ever said "FIRST!" so I feel obliged to do so: FIRST! :evil_lol:

Next up is this:



Pappy is already skimming.

Now speaking of codes, Pappy joked that he couldn't let DD have all the fun. DD then responded by saying "Thanks for holding me in check Pappy". Just to make it fair, since DD made a fuss over me-n-AAF's "conversation" I'll make note that it could have been a code to tell DD not to, say, use a power. If such is the case and skimming is the code, well, DD's power wouldn't have been used yet. I highly doubt this is true, but it popped into my head and is therefor worth putting up against you others in the game to see what you think.




Mad is the first to think about making the game serious. Perhaps this is to help the town self-destruct (which it normally does) or perhaps just trying to get some honest talking up.




I've almost destroyed my pseudo-case against Labby. It was Wiz (innocent) who first brought up the whole deal with myself and AAF not posting. However, I do think that Labby was the first to state the lie/misunderstanding/bad assumption that both myself and AAF had said we would have plenty of time to play.



This just made me lol

At around this time, AAF posted his controversial posts, one where he said he was "keeping up with the thread", the next where his mother was ill, to a very similar question of why he wasn't here.

My thoughts initially? Something I would have done is at first try to pretend nothing is wrong, then give the excuse. Depending on the situation, one of the two would be completely or mostly false. Usually the second one, regardless of my role. So I can't really say for sure which role AAF is yet.




First vote on wiz, a gut feeling.

After this, AAF expends his original reason for not being there from his mom is sick to he is sick. Again, something I would do when under pressure and regardless of role. And again, the excuse is usually a lie to try and get away from the pressure, which I generally don't like.



That is definitely one of the dumb things I would say. Usually just a lax of thought or foolish bit of typing. However, he does have a point. We had aprox 2 days before nightfall when mad posted that it was time to play the game properly, so I can understand why he would think this.



Why? Sorry to make you go back and re-read all that stuff.

Now AAF starts babbling about his story, going into detail. This is what I do when I realize I've A)been caught in a lie, or B)have failed to remove the pressure and am starting to panic. Considering how similar AAF and I are, he could be going down either path. Again, this is regardless of role, so I can't be sure of his role yet.



You're only 21? Dang, I thought you were like 35 or somethin! Happy B-Day (way late) and avoid the alcohol, it WILL kill you eventually. Finally, don't post when drunk or suffering from drunken-like symptoms of anything. Something I learned the hard way (when I get tired I get VERY strange... even for me).



Oh I can totally believe that someone would lie like that. I've made up stranger (and dumber) stories in the past. Regardless of role mind you, I hate being lynched.

Then there was a short newb debate. Anyone can be a newb, sometimes people just have an off game. Doesn't mean that they are to be ignored, just remember it IS is 4th game I think. He still has a ways to go.

When wizard made a connection between JB saying AAF is a newb and that meaning he gets a free pass, several people voted him. Namely, UN and DD. They didn't have very good reasons, DD: wizard DIDN'T pick on Pappys joke, he merely noted it and later accepted it for a joke, UN: the "freebe" thing.

TBH, I was more with 2H, not really much to go on depending on your point of view. That's mostly what I was thinking yesterday, when I made my pseudo-case against Labby.

AAF's reason for voting Mad, "i dont see what he's getting at", is weak at best. Something I do, but usually with more pomp, flair, and some dumb comment that screws me over. I generally have the same game evil or good, so this helps me not at all.

I agree with Wiz, UN's vote on him was rather opprotunistic and more of a "let me hide here so I don't get in trouble" vote. Since Pappy had been the vote Un followed, it seems likely that UN would have been thinking he could hide behind Pappy as a second vote, not enough to be the kill vote, but in there where he would be unnoticed. Too bad he went against wiz. The same can be said for DD, but hers was more risky a move.

I find it interesting that the focus went from AAF to Wizard without seeming to until you fast forward it like I did (re-reading). Just... curious. Something that happens to me if I'm lucky and stop talking.



I wish I could have asked why UN... AAF I can understand, but all UN had really done was have a crappy reason for voting Wiz...

Then rich Votes UN for the same reason as Wiz thinking UN is probably evil. I don't know, but that seems just as opportunistic as UN's vote.

UN starts to villanize Wiz when it comes out that he and wiz are tied. IMO, he's trying to get votes on Wiz so he won't be lynched.

JB votes Wiz for the reason of not wanting a tied vote on day 1. IDKW, but that just seems to be a super-newbi choice, unless he had a reason for thinking that UN was innocent.

Then I voted UN and tied it up by accident and night was called two posts and 2 minutes later. I do think I have stated all my thoughts on Day 1 above, and will now summarize them and note points I felt were rather key to the game.

_______________________________________________________

So, my thoughts on the AAF thing: he overreacted and spiraled into a massive defensive story (true or a lie), and, as always happens with me, he panicked and everyone started looking into him.

I do not think that JB was defending AAF, he seemed more against Mad then for AAF. Besides that, unless AAF got a really important evil PR, why would JB risk his neck for another? Not something I see him doing, especially considering AAF "newbiness".

It is rather strange of Mad to place a vote for such a weak reason so early in day 1. Not like him, but then, I'm not the best choice to judge Mads game play.

I still think JB's vote to untie the game was a bad vote for a bad reason. He had no reason to do so, except to protect UN. Considering he had felt strongly enough about Labby to vote her, I don't see how changing it was a townie thing to do. As we all know, Wizard turned out to be innocent.

Since I work all day tomorrow as well, I will have to vote now: I vote to lynch UN. I think that the situation is to convenient for him, if I hadn't come in to vote him last minute he would have been perfectly safe. JB, you are also high on my radar for that vote switch.

one question. what kind of person lies about his mother being in the hospital????? definently not me. ever heard of karma?

 

[Lab_Rat]

Ok, I've gotten caught up (though I still feel like poo, caught a cold on the plane ride Wednesday I think). Here are my thoughts starting from where JB jumped onto my scumdar day 1.

This post makes me really nervous...

This is the post that first made me go hmmm. This vague post regarding something Mad said seemed to be posted simply to throw suspicion onto Mad. The post it was referring to didn't set of any warning bells in my head, but this one certainly did and still does. JB loves to make little jabs when scum and cause a lot of confusion, while trying to get strong players lynched. He is also good at doing it and flying under the radar while causing such confusion.

I think you might want to take that post in context...it was the morning after my 21st birthday. I thought I was being funny LOL.

g/o Happy 21st Pappy! g/o

Mad... the way I see it, AAF used a weak defense. Then he came back to give the real reason because he realized that this is the same type of situation that gets him lynched every game. Then he got all caught up in it. I'm not saying that it's any sign of his alignment one way or the other, just that it seems a pretty flimsy premise to base a vote on. Even for day one.

Wiz... as soon as you can quote a post where I said anyone should get a pass, I'll be happy to answer your question.

Labby... your post makes me think that you're trying to get me out of the way early. Is that because I can pretty much tell when you're full of it? I'd like to find out.

I retract my vote on Mad, and vote to lynch Labby.

This post shows JB trying to squirm his way out of his prior defense of AAF. I love how he tried to turn things on me. I'm thinking he was trying to get townies to vote for me to get me out of the way so I don't cause him and his team any trouble.

I'm not saying to give anyone a pass. I'm just saying that for a player of Mad's caliber to throw a vote out so early and for such a questionable reason seems really out of the norm to me. If that same vote had come from another player for the same reason, I may not have noticed at all. Hell, I've been on board with lynching more than one newb on day 1. I just don't see it this time, and it seems to me like Mad was taking the easy way out. That's not like him IMO.

Also, my intent was never to defend anyone. I was just calling out Mad. You guys can read it as defending if you want, but that's coming from you, not from me. You guys have all seen me defend people. If you really believe that I would defend AAF as a teammate on day 1, you must have bumped your heads. When I defend someone, there won't be a question about it.

Why call out Mad for a legit vote? It was day 1, AAF did scummy things, if he was Mad's top suspect I'd expect Mad to vote for him. Why would you expect Mad not to vote for him if AAF was his top suspect at that time?

Also, the antagonistic tone in your posts makes me think scum. You tend post antagonistically when you have something to hide, to get people to back off of you.

I urge the town to look at those on me for scum.

I do think Wiz was onto something with this post. I wonder if the scum team discussed who their biggest threat was and who to try to get voted out on night 1. Wiz could have fit that profile.

Who was that too? What are you talking about? Why am I asking so many questions?

That had been to you, I was trying to check in on my phone and after I posted that I realized I'd read it incorrectly so I clarified.

For some reason I can't stomach the thought of a tie on D1. I retract my vote on Labby and re-vote to lynch the Wiz.

Why not? I've never seen you opposed to a tie on Day 1 before.

I would like to hear a defense on Labbys part first though.

Defense about what? The fact that I thought you and AAF said you had plenty of time to play since you were on Thanksgiving break? No need for any defense on my part.

So who was the bigger threat to you JB, Lab or Wiz?

I was thinking the same thing 2H. Throw Mad in there as well, since JB did try to get things going on him.

What are you talking about "threat to [me]"? The only threat to me is the scum team and I really have no idea who they are at this point.

I don't believe you.

You seem pretty convinced for a guy who hasn't placed a vote yet. What's wrong... don't want to take a real stand that could come back to bite you in the ***?

Again with the antagonistic posting. Trying to get 2H to back away from his suspicions?

Labby jumped on me yesterday for really no reason at all. Now you jump on me right after nightfall for the most obvious of reasons... a late vote switch. Are you new? If I was scum do you really think I would have drawn attention to myself in such a way? Did you bump your head?

The only thing I'm trying to work out now is if you and Labby are in it together or if you just jumped on the way you did because you thought it would be easy to get me taken out after such a maneuver as my vote switch.

My couple of posts were jumping on you? I gave my reasons, and if you need further clarification, it is explained earlier in this post. More antagonistic posting here as well.

Standing up for or agreeing with someone isn't the same as defending IMO. I felt like JB took his side temporarily, not that he's gone out of his way to defend him this whole game.

Standing up for and defending ARE the same thing. Maybe it was temporary, but they are still the same thing.

looks like it to me... with the non contact that the scum team is supposed to be using, and with the "noobness" as some are calling it of these two, it looks like they are panicking. I am really surprised no one else is even seeing this...

I do not see what you are seeing.

That's how I play when I'm scum. Just as obvious as I can be. Are you new?

More antagonistic posting. Nice sarcasm there, that even translated through the internets.

JB, this isn't the first time that you've implied that if scum you wouldn't have been so bold as to jump onto Wiz to supposedly break the tie. Should folks consider your move a town-tell then? You have heard of WIFOM.

Hahaha, a town-tell.

Glad you're back home safe, Labby. Can't wait to hear your thoughts once you're feeling better.

Thank you JB, but I'm sure you're not going to like them.

They knew who each other were, so they could've easily distanced themselves from each other. Care to explain a bit more 2h?

They knew who each other were, so they knew who to try to keep from being lynched. Are you one of them? Did you guys decide to lynch Wiz night 1 if possible?