Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

[jpappy789]

JP, below I pull the PM to Kashta in the game you ran.

Good elf "powers"

Kashta
You are an innocent elf by the name of Sugarplum Mary. As top sweets-maker in the North Pole, no one can resist your famous Christmas sugar cookies. That is why, if delivered to an evil elf, they will convince the player to stop communicating with their leader for the rest of the game. However, you only have one chance to deliver the cookies to any player you believe has a connection with the Grinch.



Just when I think I know how to vote I see something that holds me back.

Wiz, my notes refers to the Word document with all the rules, roles, votes, etc. That PM to Kash wasn't in my notes but it was in the thread I linked to...I didn't realize I posted all of that there which is why I didn't mention it at the time.

My notes says this:

Players:
ZSandmann- Frosty
Dangerdoll- Evil elf (non)
FireDancer- Jack Frost
Rich- innocent- Alabaster Snowball- given a “naughty and nice list” containing an evil
Kashta- innocent- Sugarplum Mary- sent to an evil elf they no longer are in communication
Lab_Rat- Evil elf (com)
Agassizii- innocent- Bushy Evergreen- given results of evil’s investigation one night
RazzleFish- innocent- Pepper Minstix- has one protection to be used or can take the hit
Jm- innocent- Shinny Upatree- knows who Santa is
Noodles- Rudolph
Dirtydawg- innocent- Wunorse Openslae- knows who Rudolph is
Ice- Grinch
Zaffy- Evil elf (com)
Jbradt- Evil elf (com)
The Red Severum- Santa

As you can see I didn't make note of them being cookies.

 

[user_name]

Kicking bushes is how we find scum. It does the town no good what so ever to post in the game just to be active. If all you do is answer questions without kicking bushes you are not helping IMO.

I didn't say that people should just ask questions Wiz, I said that if I saw something interesting (scummy) I brought it up. I don't see how long drawn out attacks on other players end well, look at what happened with Dun this game...

I have to be going for a few, my dad needs me to help him out with my 125 stand. I'll try to be back ASAP, but for now I vote to lynch Wiz for not seeming very pro-town.

 

[the wizard]

I didn't say that people should just ask questions Wiz, I said that if I saw something interesting (scummy) I brought it up. I don't see how long drawn out attacks on other players end well, look at what happened with Dun this game...

I have to be going for a few, my dad needs me to help him out with my 125 stand. I'll try to be back ASAP, but for now I vote to lynch Wiz for not seeming very pro-town.

This last post seems laughable at best and leads me to believe there are at least two scum left.

 

[jpappy789]

I didn't say that people should just ask questions Wiz, I said that if I saw something interesting (scummy) I brought it up. I don't see how long drawn out attacks on other players end well, look at what happened with Dun this game...

I have to be going for a few, my dad needs me to help him out with my 125 stand. I'll try to be back ASAP, but for now I vote to lynch Wiz for not seeming very pro-town.

Maybe you should keep reading. Wiz RCed as Frosty.

 

[the wizard]

Wiz, my notes refers to the Word document with all the rules, roles, votes, etc. That PM to Kash wasn't in my notes but it was in the thread I linked to...I didn't realize I posted all of that there which is why I didn't mention it at the time.

My notes says this:

Players:
ZSandmann- Frosty
Dangerdoll- Evil elf (non)
FireDancer- Jack Frost
Rich- innocent- Alabaster Snowball- given a “naughty and nice list” containing an evil
Kashta- innocent- Sugarplum Mary- sent to an evil elf they no longer are in communication
Lab_Rat- Evil elf (com)
Agassizii- innocent- Bushy Evergreen- given results of evil’s investigation one night
RazzleFish- innocent- Pepper Minstix- has one protection to be used or can take the hit
Jm- innocent- Shinny Upatree- knows who Santa is
Noodles- Rudolph
Dirtydawg- innocent- Wunorse Openslae- knows who Rudolph is
Ice- Grinch
Zaffy- Evil elf (com)
Jbradt- Evil elf (com)
The Red Severum- Santa

As you can see I didn't make note of them being cookies.

While this may be true, my first thought is that it seems odd that allabaster snowball's power is detailed and Sugarplum Mary's reads kind of incomplete. Just saying.

 

[the wizard]

As important as tonight's lynch is, I hate to flip a coin to decide the lynch. I also hate to flip a coin to decide my vote. I am running out of time but don't have a clear decision either way yet.

I suppose it would be easier if LG hadn't been voted MVP by the scum team so many times when she was innocent.

The name she claimed however, does seem suspect with the other elves names. Someone just shoot me now.

 

[jpappy789]

It wouldn't matter whether or not I put cookies in my notes. The power itself is complete in my notes and I posted what I had at the time...I didn't realize I had the entire detailed PMs in the last game thread. I wouldn't have posted that role had it not fit what happened but at the time there was no way of knowing whether Lab used the same roles or not. Then when AAF came out with the list and Rich took the scum hit I was confident that Lab did reuse them...which is why LG is clearly not telling the truth with her "RC."

 

[the wizard]

Current vote count:
Wiz (0) - AAF (#725), FF (#740)
FF (1) - Dawg (#785)
Dawg (1) - FF (#789)
Pappy (1) - LG #790, Bally (#802)
LG (2) - Pappy (#809), Bally (#826)

No votes: everyone else.


Nightfall in 56 minutes. PMs as needed!

Curious that with the number of people viewing the thread the singleton votes haven't weighed in on the topic of LG/JP.

 

[the wizard]

Two things strike me with LG's RC. The timing of it and her "name" Sugar Snow Pants. It does seem an odd name considering how articulate LR is.

 

[Lady G]

I only have a moment here, but I felt bad leaving the way I did, I thought I'd check in while I could,

Yes, I was nipped. Sorry it's been hectic with everything going on...I had just skimmed over nightfall and then the posts beforehand when I did post last and just wasn't thinking straight after seeing Bally RC and name me. I don't see any reason for people to not believe Bally now. I do expect people to not believe me entirely, but I'd rather not leave it in the dark at this point in the game.

According to Lab's PM I cannot reveal any info on specific roles, which I assume means I cannot name scum or any roles we previously investigated.

Now to explain my behavior:

Me picking to vote Bally at first was to stay consistent. As you can see above I could not come out and state I knew Kash was scum and I was going after Bally quite a bit the day before. I tried to make it seem like I really was torn between choosing Bally or Kash because I didn't want to break the rules and because I didn't want to seem like I was doing a 180, which would be just as suspicious. It's also hard for someone to be working with a team for the whole game and then suddenly be told you have to switch allegiances. I will honestly say that I thought about still trying to help the scum team, regardless if I would have technically lost or not.

I will say with Rudolph gone and with all the innocent RCs (which I hate) that I don't doubt the scum are close to finding Santa. I don't think scum expected Rich to step in with the hit either and for all we know that may have saved us another day. The town cannot afford to lynch an innocent tonight.

My vote will come shortly. I need to figure out how to say this without breaking any rules but also in order to give the town info.

You Pap are full of it, you didn't find scum...you are scum, but you are doing a good job trying to cover your butt

So now it's LG against Pap...
I'm not 100% sure I believe LG, she has been too helpful, subtly forceful with influencing votes (telling me to vote Kash to prove I'm Jack, and stroking AAF's ego to gain his confidence). What she says could be true, I'm not sure on exact numbers but is there a chance of lynching a possibly innocent Pap and then the evils hit, and then losing the game. Or would it be better to lynch LG to prove who she says she is, I can see her pulling a fake RC to protect herself, LG doesn't do anything small imo, always has to go above and beyond to "prove" something and sometimes digs too big of a hole. but with that option we also risk losing 2 innocents again..... idk just what's going through my mind atm

I told you to vote Kash b/c I thought she was evil, and it ends up I was right. Think about it Bally, (and everyone else) there really wasn't suspicion on Kash why would I start after her at that time if she was my evil team mate? I am telling you Pap IS evil...if you do not believe me I don't know what to tell ya.

Town, keep in mind I am trying to reveal as much as possible without breaking or bending any rules.



So when did you use this so called power of yours? Why did you just come out with it now? You said earlier that you believed I was innocent to start and then was "nipped" evil...but now I am the Grinch. I would think that if it was so definitive that you would have mentioned this a lot earlier than 4-5 hours before nightfall.

If Ice knew I was scum, why would he vote for Dun when I had been grilling him? Would that not have tipped him off that Dun was likely innocent?

Bottom line is I modded the last Xmas game and this innocent elf never existed. Creative name though...

I vote to lynch LG

I used it after N3, I got the message this morning, I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get on before nightfall, so I came out,

Yes, I know you modded the last one...how unfair to all other players if Lab changed nothing about the roles...you really think she wouldn't change anything?

Lg is too forceful to get people to vote, ego stroking AAF and telling me voting kash is the way to prove im innocent and when lg builds a story it's an over the top story, she always go to far

Bally all I can say is Pap is the Grinch, I can't blame you to not believe me 100% but I know who the grinch is and I want him gone

It wouldn't matter whether or not I put cookies in my notes. The power itself is complete in my notes and I posted what I had at the time...I didn't realize I had the entire detailed PMs in the last game thread. I wouldn't have posted that role had it not fit what happened but at the time there was no way of knowing whether Lab used the same roles or not. Then when AAF came out with the list and Rich took the scum hit I was confident that Lab did reuse them...which is why LG is clearly not telling the truth with her "RC."

Again, do you not see how unfair to everyone else if she made no changes what so ever...seriously?