Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

[Ballyhoo]

Now you are changing it from the town was confused to just you were confused. It was already pointed out that most people understood pretty much right away that it was the scum hit and it still does not explain why you singled out Rich as if he was the only one who thought that way.
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Ok, What I was trying to say was......
When I read the night fall post I was confused at whos hit it was so I went back to page one and looked. this was all BEFORE Lab posted the game on post, so I wasn't sure if more was to come. I saw that Rich had posted about it being the scum hit minutes after the game on post. I just assumed that I had to go check everyone else did too. As for the town being confused, I suppose I used the wrong word, everyone assumed so I in turn assumed that everyone else had to go back and check. Rich could possibly read faster than myself or had more knowledge of the game rule posts. It was just something note worthy.

 

[dundadundun]

Maybe it's poor wording but why state Rich is "unlynchable" and then vote for him? It makes it look like 1) you either want him gone early (ie. when it's easier to get the ball rolling on someone) or 2) you figure him not getting lynched often makes it an easy place to hide a vote.

Then again I'm still not sure why you even came out and said that...troubling, that's for sure. Maybe just a slip of the tongue?



A bit off topic but the SNL skit on Tebow was pretty funny.



Do you want to single out FF at this point in time...do you want him to make a case for himself? If I remember correctly most times it doesn't end up good for the town. What specifically do you think his behavior has to do with his role?

Both 2H and Dun have said relatively questionable things thus far and I'm not going to throw out a useless random vote. I do say "relatively" because there's been hardly any talk as is...

I think Kash just broke the tie but I have to go with something more specific than voting for someone because they aren't good at a snowball game...or whatever...

I vote to lynch 2H

No particular reason why 2H over Dun. Call it more of a gut feel pick between the two, if you will...

What is that top part in response to?

Seemed a bit early to be saying that FF has been acting so different that he is scum, especially considering that the course of the game thus far has been a bit slow.



Nice shot! LOL

I didn't mean to say that you thought he was outright scum, but you did imply his behavior was indicative of him trying to hide...regardless, my point still stands. It was early in the game, a game which thus far has seemed to be unusually quiet, and for whatever reason you decided to put the spotlight on FF.

If you're convinced FF is scum why is he not getting your vote this nightfall?

Nope, you say you are "convinced now" and that FF "definitely [seems] coached"...and you talk about how he is "acting out of the norm" compared to being innocent. What's holding you back then?

Dun, I have to agree with Pap...if you are convinced that FF is scum, it seems that would be a good place for your vote scum is scum easy or not right? Also the fact only if anyone "believed" him kinda takes me back a bit. As for how he is playing, I have seen him play great games when innocent (of course he ended up lynched because he was playing different, lol).

Have you ever been introduced to the idea of "pocket mafia"? LOL

If you think someone is scum then you vote for them, regardless of who they are...it's a numbers game. You say it's an obvious scum tell for him but are hesitating to vote. Almost seems like you want to see what others have to say before placing that vote, or at least have an excuse for if (and I say if) he flips innocent.

And I don't see how you see me sticking up for FF. I'm not making excuses for how he is playing, I'm questioning you. Should I just assume you are innocent instead?

No one's saying you have to vote FF and then give up. But you seem 99.9% sure he is scum but flat out said you probably wont vote for him until after this nightfall. I still don't understand why give him a "pass" this nightfall. Would you rather vote for someone you are less sure on? Keep in mind that even if that person is more of a threat to the town when scum they are conversely a more of an asset when innocent...



Basically when the town knows someone is scum but keeps them around in attempts to find their teammates. It's a horrible strategy. Only difference in this case is that not everyone (I'd venture to say most) are not convinced FF is scum. And generally it happens when an invest is revealed so it's a more definite read.

I don't understand the meaning behind pulling those specific posts Dun...

Now you are changing it from the town was confused to just you were confused. It was already pointed out that most people understood pretty much right away that it was the scum hit and it still does not explain why you singled out Rich as if he was the only one who thought that way.



I don't think spreading out the votes helps the scum all that much N1 when there was still a NC scum out there. Statistically having a three way tie increases the likelihood that their teammate is lynched. Now obviously knowing that it was DD makes it not matter but at the time they wouldn't have known. Not to mention the first day of the game is certainly confusing enough and I hardly doubt they could have keyed in on any roles by the times votes were placed...



For the SECOND time I voted 2H which tied him with UN. And are you suggesting UN is another NC scum (not possible) or innocent? Those are the only other options and I question how you would know that he isn't communicating.

Wait so are you saying that someone voting 2H knew he wasn't communicating scum? Well, obviously if scum voted 2H they knew that but no townies would have known at that point. I don't get what your point is...

So your point is that scum voted 2H? That's all I wanted to know.

I posted 5 minutes later than your correction. I didn't see it until I hit reply and then saw there were new posts. That's why right away I changed the question.

I'd like to see where I've already twisted something for you to go ahead and say I'm doing it again...

It's not a bad strategy, in theory, from the point of the individual. You know you are innocent and the other person has a much better chance of being scum. Whether you suspect them or not it makes more sense in a numbers game to save someone that, in your mind, is a confirmed innocent over an unknown.

The problem is that 1) you have no idea if the other person is a PR, which is worse 2) the town has no idea if you are innocent and thus it could be a nice excuse for scum to use...

I understand that, and I agree with Rich that seeing as it can go either way it's not what I consider a scum tell. All I wanted to say was that if Dun is innocent I understand why he made the decision.

I honestly don't think Dun would make that decision if innocent.



I don't doubt there could have been switching to keep scum from being lynched but I do doubt they tried to make it a tie in the first place. I don't see why there would be a strategic reason to do so...

To stay in the game as long as possible. I don't think Dun is a new player that would play just to last as long as possible, if innocent that is...



So it's my fault? Ok...

sure, why not?

What questions were not answered?

you answered my question while i was posting, sorry. couldn't edit it out as per the rules, though.

 

[Lady G]

we'll see who's playing a sloppy game after i'm lynched.

sorry to here, lg.

i think i'm gonna change my avatar to something more appropriate.

i retract my vote on FF and vote to lynch pappy. he's a much more competent adversary apparently. apparent by the fact he was able to push me to place a vote i didn't want to post in the first place.

Ok, now I'm confused (imagine that lol) what are you sorry to here? Then the vote for Pap, because he "pushed" you to vote for the person you thought was evil, I also questioned you on why you wouldn't want to vote the person you felt strongest about...so (not that I want you to vote me) but, why did Pap get your vote instead of me? Since night one you voted someone you didn't actually see has mafia, night two you think someone is mafia but don't want to vote them, are you voting Pap because you do think he is mafia, or more because he annoyed you by questioning you about why you didn't want to place a vote on the person you say you are sure is mafia?

To stay in the game as long as possible. I don't think Dun is a new player that would play just to last as long as possible, if innocent that is...
Ok, now I'm confused (imagine that lol) what are you sorry to here? Then the vote for Pap, because he "pushed" you to vote for the person you thought was evil, I also questioned you on why you wouldn't want to vote the person you felt strongest about...so (not that I want you to vote me) but, why did Pap get your vote instead of me? Since night one you voted someone you didn't actually see has mafia, night two you think someone is mafia but don't want to vote them, are you voting Pap because you do think he is mafia, or more because he annoyed you by questioning you about why you didn't want to place a vote on the person you say you are sure is mafia?

So it's my fault? Ok...

Thanks, that is what I thought you meant...but wanted to be sure.

 

[IceH2O]

sure, why not?

That is funny. Jpap forced you to vote for someone you think is scum? Why would need to be forced to vote for your suspect?

I'm happy with my vote as is.

Still would like to see Kashs response to the post of contradiction in which 2 of the 3 people she named as possible votes had reasons posted by her on why she didn't vote them. Its post 180 in case you need the help to look back.

 

[Lady G]

sure, why not?


you answered my question while i was posting, sorry. couldn't edit it out as per the rules, though.

OK

I have a new question for you Dun, what is your opinion on Kash at this point?

 

[IceH2O]

Ok, What I was trying to say was......
When I read the night fall post I was confused at whos hit it was so I went back to page one and looked. this was all BEFORE Lab posted the game on post, so I wasn't sure if more was to come. I saw that Rich had posted about it being the scum hit minutes after the game on post. I just assumed that I had to go check everyone else did too. As for the town being confused, I suppose I used the wrong word, everyone assumed so I in turn assumed that everyone else had to go back and check. Rich could possibly read faster than myself or had more knowledge of the game rule posts. It was just something note worthy.

But Bally the rules say the Grinch hit is after the lynch. There is no reason even if there was more action afterwards to think it was anything else.

 

[Ballyhoo]

But Bally the rules say the Grinch hit is after the lynch. There is no reason even if there was more action afterwards to think it was anything else.

I didnt know that before nightfall, hence why I had to go look after the post.

 

[jpappy789]

Ok, What I was trying to say was......
When I read the night fall post I was confused at whos hit it was so I went back to page one and looked. this was all BEFORE Lab posted the game on post, so I wasn't sure if more was to come. I saw that Rich had posted about it being the scum hit minutes after the game on post. I just assumed that I had to go check everyone else did too. As for the town being confused, I suppose I used the wrong word, everyone assumed so I in turn assumed that everyone else had to go back and check. Rich could possibly read faster than myself or had more knowledge of the game rule posts. It was just something note worthy.

Yeah, not buying it...why would it matter if more was to come? The scum hit is first so had there been a second one it just would have confirmed that DD was the scum hit anyways.

If you read the post of mine you quoted you would see I mentioned Lab's write up which clearly references the scum team...why would you need to check the rule anyways?

And it still doesn't make sense why you singled out Rich when he was just the first one to state pretty much the obvious.

 

[jpappy789]

sure, why not?


you answered my question while i was posting, sorry. couldn't edit it out as per the rules, though.

So do you think I'm scum or...?

I didnt know that before nightfall, hence why I had to go look after the post.

So you assumed that no one else knew either?

 

[Lady G]

I don't think this will be a surprise but I vote to lynch Dun just to many questionable things going on there with him.