Mafia #99: The ACville Files- Game Thread

I also question the wisdom now of focusing so hard on the 3 people who voted Ice.

It's usually true in mafia games that for the first day or two, it's mostly innocents voting off innocents. Then those innocents come under extra scrutiny and get blamed/voted out too. It usually isn't until we look where we weren't looking before that we usually find scum.... after 2 nights or so of voting/lynching innocents. In this game too, the N1 vote tally was almost all joke votes. That makes our N2 voting record more like N1 instead. We probably should not trust our impulse to blame the voters on N2 for voting innocents (FF/Ice) just because that's what appears most prominent to us today. This strategy would be short-sighted.

Thanks to the headline, Ice is confirmed innocent. This would make it advantageous for the scum team to highlight any possible suspicion there could be toward those who voted Ice. Someone with votes enough to almost get lynched would naturally suspect the ones voting him or her. And if those were innocent voters, then it makes sense that the scum would want us looking there... and a good way for scum to try to manipulate Ice's thinking as well.

Personally, I am not looking at those who voted FF/Ice I am looking at those who voted Confirmed innocents both days. Where would you have us look with the information we have at hand?

Do you really think someone as good as Ice can be manipulated? I find it hard to believe that the scum would use or try to use that kind of strategy.

When I began looking at those who voted innocents on both nights, I said that i didn't think we would find the whole team there. Your telling us where not to look without giving direction on where to look makes me wonder about your alignment.
 
You are soooo lucky that LG can't post here or she would tear you up for putting a video game above mafia.

So you think Dun is scum? Why isn't your vote on him yet?

Reading through the game, it appears as though your bush kicking was directed mainly at AAF, but not kicking too hard. Is this so you can appear to be helpful without actually being helpful?

My vote is on AAF right now because I suspect him very slightly more. But, I think they're both scum. I'll switch to kill one of them if the opportunity arises.
 
Now this is interesting. The way this reads to me, and correct me if I am wrong Zaffy, you weren't so sure that FF did slip. We now know that he didn't by the way. However, you were the kill vote on him.

Why is that?

I didn't vote him because of his alleged slip. I voted him to create a tie.
 
I didn't vote him because of his alleged slip. I voted him to create a tie.

And why is it that you wanted a tie?
 
And why is it that you wanted a tie?


I was pressed for time to get my vote in, maybe I wasn't thinking it through. It just felt like the right thing to do at the time.
 
I've been on and off checking the discussion. But I'm doing other stuff today too.... not game-related. So I'm not going to be here and stay on the thread full-time but I will be here at different times throughout the day/evening.

Reading the exchange posted this morning really looks like AAF was being picked on. AAF is the first to admit he's not a competent player and to see him badgered so hard by advanced players makes me wonder if they're hoping to cause him to screw up. Even if AAF is innocent, it wouldn't take much to make him nervous enough to say the wrong thing. Or even say the right thing in a wrong way. I believe we all know that, don't we?

Those questioning him so hard certainly know this. Therefore, I have to question whether those who've been grilling him are really trying to find truth? Or are they taking advantage of a weak player who is prone to make himself appear scummy enough to draw townie votes?

Get out your grilling tools, but one quick question before you start. What is your take on AAF, his actions, and his responses.
 
I was pressed for time to get my vote in, maybe I wasn't thinking it through. It just felt like the right thing to do at the time.

Although what you say is possible, I am not sure I am buying it.
 
Personally, I am not looking at those who voted FF/Ice I am looking at those who voted Confirmed innocents both days. Where would you have us look with the information we have at hand?

Do you really think someone as good as Ice can be manipulated? I find it hard to believe that the scum would use or try to use that kind of strategy.

When I began looking at those who voted innocents on both nights, I said that i didn't think we would find the whole team there. Your telling us where not to look without giving direction on where to look makes me wonder about your alignment.

Red - We should look beyond the obvious as well for the reasons I just posted. I find it interesting that you don't agree with that considering how often Day 1/2 is made up of innocents voting innocents.

That makes you a good place to look, Wizard. Dawg and Zaffy too.

Blue - I said it made sense for them to try manipulating Ice if they can. It would be foolish not to attempt it. However, I did not say that strategy would be successful. Ice is sharp and often questions those most who try to bamboozle him.

Black - Again, let me sum this up for you. As I believe was shown by my posts with Dawg last night, Dawg has not given us great direction to follow. Dawg as an innocent usually plays his game more objectively than that and using logic that is sound.

Given that Dawg also did a 180 reversal on me when he retracted his vote... a very SHORT time after his "twist twist twist" accusatory vote post against me was odd. That made be believe I was on to something with him and he may have felt that if he backed off on me that maybe I'd back off on him.

Looking back at others Dawg mentioned in possible suspicious ways, I found it interesting too that Dawg addressed a Bally vs. Kashta scenario (regarding low posters).... but even after acknowledging Zaffy had less than 5 posts too along with me at that time.... Dawg didn't mention Zaffy again or give me the other scenario Zaffy vs. Kashta when he decided to vote me over post count. When trying to decide alignment in Dawg's case, it's always important to look at what he leaves out or doesn't say as much as what he tells us. I consider that a telling omission in his case.

If Dawg is evil, there's a good chance Zaffy is too. Bally, Zaffy, DD, and FF are the only names he really mentioned earlier. DD was a joke vote/retracted. He gave us reason to also consider Zaffy suspect too but has let that drop altogether. As scum, it's prudent to somewhere mention a teammate for distancing purposes. That would make Zaffy a prime candidate as scummate with Dawg.

Couple this with the fact that you, Dawg, and Zaffy seem to be in agreement suspecting folks like AAF, Dun, and Lab Rat gives me a very uneasy feeling. I would expect all three of you (if innocent) to be much less narrow-focused at this point in the game.

Clear enough for you now, Wizard?
 
Get out your grilling tools, but one quick question before you start. What is your take on AAF, his actions, and his responses.

I just did, Zaffy.

Maybe you should reread the quote you just pulled.
 
I just did, Zaffy.

Maybe you should reread the quote you just pulled.

You said we were mean and should be ashamed of ourselves. Then you said he might get flustered and make some 'mistake.' You never actually commented on his actions. So my question still stands.
 
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