Mafia Game #4 The Play

[NeonJulie]

And the don will have investigated 6 of us.

Ok good because if the above was true, ACVille Rag's going to pick up some other town.

I am beginning to wonder what exactly it will mean for the town, if CL does become lynched. If he is lynched as an innocent, then there will be a crowd who pointed to him. Only a few went with other votes. (It's still possible as it was pointed out, that he could have tried a reverse pyschology... 'I'm so very very innocent' 'that I obviously look guilty' but it's so obvious, I'm obviously innocent'?!)

If he does indeed prove to be mafia (yeah for the town!) what will be learned from it? I sort of feel that day one wasn't quite useful for us - because of the circumstances of the player eliminated, not much was learned about their lynching. I really hope Day 2 will prove more educating!

If he is mafia... then it's possible those who found him out so quickly might be in danger of being whacked. And if they are, that might help to determine exactly who's whacking. But that's several plays down the chessgame...

I have to imagine another full day before "night" time? Meaning, sometime on Monday morning?

I tell you who I want to hear more from, one, MadCrawdad (because he's awesome, we miss him, and I could use some type of presence of his to rule out he isn't doing exactly what Ogre said, that being the key players laying low and allowing the gang to attract attention), and two, BK.

I just wanted to say, although I'm still kind of a newbie myself, it being only my second game, I'm really impressed with the group we've gathered, with the new players. Game on, newbies.

Oh, here's a RAH for the town:

Let's go Townies, Let's go!
Mafia have to go, go!
We got smarts and we got fire!
We seek justice that's not for hire!
Let's go Townies, Let's go!
Mafia have to go, go!

*lol* (It's so lame I can't help but laugh.)

EDIT: don't you love cross-posting. Speak of the Devil! *jk*

 

[OgreMkV]

OK, I misread, the Don descrition... it is three total (one each night for thre nights) whew!!!!!

 

[plantling]

Not to say I am ready to give up on thinking CL is Mafia, but just some odd questions:

Hypothetically, if CL is the ma---, he should have learned something last night. And if he were willing to share it (and I'm guessing he didn't find Mafia) and if we were willing to believe him and not lynch him, couldn't the doctor, who should in no way announce themselves, protect him from the Mafia? Granted the doc would have to do it every night from now on, but wouldn't his ability to investigate be an advantage to the town? The mafia would most likely take out any confirmed innocents, but at least the innocent isn't endangered of being lynched by the town.

Just trying to find some hope for this town, but it may be too far fetched and I may be burning the candle too low as it's past midnight.

 

[Madcrawdad]

As promised, here are a couple of folks currently tweaking on my mafia radar...

JudgeMax
For reasons listed by Ogre yesterday

Here Ogre claims to be setting a trap. Thanks for tossing me in for bait, old boy.

BTW: Mayor, detective... if you don't mind a few suggestions. I really encourage you to investigate Madcrawdad and NeonJulie at the earliest opportunity. They are good players and we need to make sure that they are on our side. If they are mafia, they need to go quick.

Immediately JudgeMax bites with this one saying that it would make sense if Julie were given a special mafia role.

(I also want to say, that since every one felt so guilty about lynching julie in the last game, it would make perfect sense to give her a mafia role this game...)

Julie counters with this regarding random assignment of roles. Make sense to me.

Except you'd be ignoring a huge fact - that it's already been stated several times it's a completely random assignment. Dismissing facts and misleading statements...

Then Judge points out that even with random assigments, her original statement still makes sense. NOT TO ME. Unless of course, rbishop is cheating.

yes, random, but still, it would make sense, I am not misleading anyone, I was just stating what I was thinking, which is the point, think it out, and make assumptions, ...awfully defensive?...:lipssealedsmilie:

Ever seen this before? Folks whispering other people's names and 'mafia' at the same time. JudgeMax is one to watch.

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Mee-mee

Here's a record of Mee-mee's recent voting

Mee-mee cast's a vote for Ice. If wrong, she'll hang her head in shame.

I VOTE FOR ICE...:lipssealedsmilie: and if I am wrong and he isn't Mafia and he is lynched then I will hang my head in shame...and plant lots of flowers for him outside my Pastry Shop and name a new Pastry sandwich after him...

Mee-mee defending Cory Lover and changing her vote from IceH2O to Nolapete

CL has acted the same in all 4 games...and we all voted because of his on and off and on again posting we just might end up lynching an Innocent again...as he was in the other 3 games....so I am going to put him on the major reserve list for Mafia...for his pattern is repeating as it did in the other games...and He did turn out to be an Innocent...so we need to be careful and try to actually get the Mafia and Not the Innocents...but like Ogre said it is a 1 in 4 chance of us getting a Mafia.....and I am going to change my vote...

I vote for NolaPete and retract my vote for Ice...Ice brings up alot of good points about Nola....and for someone who don't want to play the game anymore does scream MAFIA to me....

More defending Cory Lover and sticking with the vote for Nolapete

Yeah, I agree with you HN and Ice....like JL said "GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT"....professing Innocent doesn't really prove if a player is or isn't who they say they are.....and for protecting CL, everyone in the last games jumped on the bandwagon and lynched him, and he turned out to be a Townie...but I don't know whether he is one or the other...all I know is what I am...but words don't mean much (SNIP) so I am throwing caution to the wind and keeping my vote for Nola...if he is an Innocent and he decides not to post, then he will succumb to an embarrassing disease or the Mafia just might take him out....and the Detective and Mayor and Vig. don't know any more than we do,because it is still the first night...everything gets rolling on the 3rd or 4th night...and then we will see who really is Mafia, time will tell......

Dangerdoll then points out that Mee-mee's facts were wrong regarding CL in game 3, and then DD questions if Mee-mee is mafia

hmmm.... mee-mee, CL was never lynched in the last game and the way he is different in this game is the 2 posts that he did make were so obvious, it was plain for all to see. Yes, in the last game, he did post som enonsense type of posts when he did post but this game is screaming Mafia.... why the cover-up dear? Protecting a buddy? :jaw-dropping:

Mee-mee agrees that her facts are off....but she doesn't think CL is mafia

You're right he actually made it through game 3...oopppsss my bad..I just don't feel Mafia screaming in his blood...and not covering for a buddy...I just don't want to make the same mistakes we did in game 1 and 2....but I guess time will tell.... and he does type some nonsense (no offense CL)..

Revenge vote #1
Mee-mee changes votes again. Back to the late IceH2O

Then I will change my vote...sorry RBishop....

I vote for Ice and retract my vote for Nola...

and I am not a Mafia...all I have is my word....you can take it or not...

Why is Mee-mee voting for the late detective IceH2O. Let's see. Also note that she say again that she doesn't know if CL is mafia.

The only reason I changed my vote to you was because you are now pegging for me......I dont know if CL is Mafia or not as previously stated...but go ahead and vote for me if you want...you will be making a grave mistake....I am an Innocent and I can't say anything else....and how do I know you aren't Mafia...everyone guilty until proven innocent that is the motto...but I know I am an Innocent...no other way to say it....

Revenge vote #2

Mee-mee later changes her vote to Dangerdoll, because DD thinks she might be mafia

You're making a mistake HN:eek3:

I retract my vote for Ice and vote for DangerDoll...

since she thinks I am soooo Mafia:lipssealedsmilie:

Revenge vote #3
On Day 2, Cory Lover lists Mee-mee as one of his top 3 mafia even though she's been saying all along that she's not feeling a CL mafia vibe. She's sure feeling it now. She's voting for him to prove that she's not linked to him, and she now claims to have a gut instinct now that CL is mafia

Well, here we go....Cory Lover is still here...

I VOTE TO LYNCH CORY LOVER,,, because for one thing I am not protecting him...if he is mafia, then we got one...and 5 more to go...I AM NOT MAFIA....and I went back through the majority of the posts and CL does post in and out....and I do have a gut instinct he is Mafia...I didnt tag team with anyone not even KOTD...the reason I voted for DD in the first night was because she voted for me first and then changed her mind...had nothing to do with me....as for me not posting all day is because I work 10 hour days...ugh....and for CL to claim I am Mafia...well we will see who is really Mafia....I am going on my own accords for this game this time...and not following anyone...just voting as my gut feelings go...:lipssealedsmilie:

The fact that Mee-mee casts 3 'revenge' votes in two days really makes me take note. Why? Because mafia is a team game. Townies need to work together to lynch mafia. Mee-mee's willingness to toss votes at people who cast any suspicion on her is really strange, almost as if she's out there doing her own thing....not caring about really looking for mafia. In this game everyone suspects everyone, and if townies want to find mafia they can't lose focus and start tossing votes at anyone who suspects them of being mafia. That would be kind of a mafia thing to do, wouldn't it?

 

[plantling]

Good observations on both, Mad. I had been looking at JudgeMax also because when I was making last minute pleas for townies to not vote for Nola just because they thought he was a poor sport, she said she voted for him because she had gut feelings about him from early on. And it got me to looking at her fingerpointing at both NeonJ and Nola just because they were bantering a bit.

And mee-mee first got my radar going when she started switching her votes so fast in the span of just a few posts. It seemed either desperate or aimed to confuse or both.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Here's what I find alarming, Newb, and I won't be so subtle. Three people have essentially dropped from the game (Nolapete, '13', and GuppyGuppyFish). The game was set up so that there was 1 mafia player for each 3 innocents. The fact that 3 probable innocents (can't be positive on GGF, though) just boogied before the first lynch leaves an extra mafia player just 'out there'. That coupled with the detective being whacked could really screw the town.

IMO townies really need to start playing smart RIGHT NOW. A quick knee-jerk vote for Cory Lover isn't smart in my opinion. He declared himself an innocent? Re-read the thread. At least 5-6 other folks also claimed they were innocents. I'm not saying that Cory Lover can't be mafia, but if you want to lynch him, give a real reason. For those on the warpath to avenge Ice, let's look at Ice's argument for lynching CL, and decide if he was getting 'too close':

In the beginning, CL said this


A couple of folks jumped on him (even though there's a 75% chance he might be right). IceH2O posted this

More folks start jumping on CL. Is IceH2O then leading or following in this post?


Then came this one from IceH2O. Playing a hunch.


Then came this one where IceH2O makes a case to lynch Nolapete. Ice maybe isn't so sure about CL.


Looks like Ice was playing a hunch like everyone else, and to those who think he was getting 'too close,' I say you're likely wrong.

Now, with that being said, I'm not saying that CL can't be mafia. Just that the case is VERY weak at this time. As JL66 points out, though, the simple fact that CL would hint that he is mayor makes him a mafia target, and his role useless to the town if he's telling the truth. If you want to lynch CoryLover, build a real case, as I think there are better mafia targets out there which I'll cover in another post soon.

This is the best, most "together" post I've read so far. It may have been knee jerk, but we lost 3 in the first night and I truthfully have no other strong suspects. I'm looking forward to the next post. I do have 2 others that I suspect, but don't have much of a case because they haven't posted in awhile.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

As promised, here are a couple of folks currently tweaking on my mafia radar...

JudgeMax
For reasons listed by Ogre yesterday

Here Ogre claims to be setting a trap. Thanks for tossing me in for bait, old boy.


Immediately JudgeMax bites with this one saying that it would make sense if Julie were given a special mafia role.

Julie counters with this regarding random assignment of roles. Make sense to me.


Then Judge points out that even with random assigments, her original statement still makes sense. NOT TO ME. Unless of course, rbishop is cheating.


Ever seen this before? Folks whispering other people's names and 'mafia' at the same time. JudgeMax is one to watch.

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Mee-mee

Here's a record of Mee-mee's recent voting

Mee-mee cast's a vote for Ice. If wrong, she'll hang her head in shame.

Mee-mee defending Cory Lover and changing her vote from IceH2O to Nolapete


More defending Cory Lover and sticking with the vote for Nolapete


Dangerdoll then points out that Mee-mee's facts were wrong regarding CL in game 3, and then DD questions if Mee-mee is mafia

Mee-mee agrees that her facts are off....but she doesn't think CL is mafia


Revenge vote #1
Mee-mee changes votes again. Back to the late IceH2O



Why is Mee-mee voting for the late detective IceH2O. Let's see. Also note that she say again that she doesn't know if CL is mafia.


Revenge vote #2

Mee-mee later changes her vote to Dangerdoll, because DD thinks she might be mafia



Revenge vote #3
On Day 2, Cory Lover lists Mee-mee as one of his top 3 mafia even though she's been saying all along that she's not feeling a CL mafia vibe. She's sure feeling it now. She's voting for him to prove that she's not linked to him, and she now claims to have a gut instinct now that CL is mafia

The fact that Mee-mee casts 3 'revenge' votes in two days really makes me take note. Why? Because mafia is a team game. Townies need to work together to lynch mafia. Mee-mee's willingness to toss votes at people who cast any suspicion on her is really strange, almost as if she's out there doing her own thing....not caring about really looking for mafia. In this game everyone suspects everyone, and if townies want to find mafia they can't lose focus and start tossing votes at anyone who suspects them of being mafia. That would be kind of a mafia thing to do, wouldn't it?

And 1 of the 2 I suspect are named.... I'd like to see more from Max. Frankly, it looks like he's chosen his spots to post which seems shady to me. Post your thoughts and convince me that I'm wrong.

Other than that, I'm looking at those "laying low". I may be wrong (just going from memory), but I think SHK has the least number of posts. SHK, what are your thoughts?

 

[FireDancer7905]

While brevity may be the soul of wit, apparently I have to speak more to ensure my own safety as a townie. Please take what you will from the following...

Jensons, I'm confused. You suspected Nola of being mafia then you post this:

Maybe some mafia plans were pm'ed to you and you put on your act. Trying to get us to vote Nola rather than a real mafia member...just a hunch...

In reference to my original post about Nola and 13, I was expressing dismay at the fact that they had decided to quit the game and f=not finish out their commitment to the other players. You left out the part where I ask RB to tell us what each palyer had decided, which is why I was holding my vote. When I saw that rb had not replied before my bedtime, I continued in my vote for Nola, for reasons already stated.

The second part of your statement has me concerned, as many people voted to lynch Nola, well before I posted my reasoning. Rather, it seems to me that you, jpappy, are trying to shift much blame to me and look like the town hero.

Thank you Pappy...wisdom in those words....and I couldn't have said it better myself....

mee-mee, you seem awful quick to side with jpappy, without posting why you agree with him.

My list for possible mafia is the following:

Jpappy (reasons stated above)

mee-mee (reason stated above)

SHK_ATK - weak reasoning- but he seems to follow jpappy and sandy (sp?) in his voting/thinking

ZSandsmann- follows jpappy, again without reason, couldn't find the quote I was looking for...

plantling - following the mafia crowd, looking to point fingers at people who voted for Nola for valid reasons.

Now will everyone believe me?! The Mafia were behind the lynching of NolaPete as well, so open up your eyes fellow townies or get ready to be obliterated by the Mafia scum that has taken over our town

These people also seem to be out to get Cory Lover, who I believe to be innocent (dont string me up, it really is "just a hunch!") Others are voting for CL also, I I believe some of them are mafia, but can't muster the evidence yet.

I'm sure this post will bring a fairly violent reaction from some people. Look for jpappy, who I sincerely feel to be mafia, to attack each accusation and support the rest of his clan.

I vote to lynch jpappy789. I believe that he is very good at turning people's heads, without drawing attention to himself.

"When sorrows come, they come not single spies, but in battalions". - Hamlet

~brandy

p.s. NeonJulie, the book I am currently reading is The Virgin's Lover, By Philippa Gregory. It is the story of Elizabeth the First'searly reign. Also look for The Constant Princess, same author, which follows the life of Katherine of Aragon. They are fascinating reads, fairly accurate in terms of the history, and written with a very skillful and compassionate hand.

p.p.s. rb: GREATJOB with the lynchings! I was rotflmao!!!

 

[SHK_ATK]

I like the idea of putting three names out there as to who is mafia, My 3 are in order of hits of my "mafia radar"
1 CL - You basicly gave yourself away with the im always innocent post- PLUS the whole "MA---" was a weak attempt to save yourself
2 DD - right off the bat was preaching about being "inocent" plus she is covering for her mafia buddies even if it means sacaficing one or two.
3 MM- voted way to many times in a short amount of posts, voted for CL and DD (her mafia buddies) the at the last min changed it to our detective.

If we get rid of the above list It can give us a chance to get back on the offense, sucks about 3 innocents being wacked, 13 was a given as he quit. Nola I never suspected, bad move on everyone. and H20 was just straight out of left field that one hurt.

I vote for Cory Lover same vote as yest.

 

[bkw1982]

I dont think CL is mafia i also don't think he is mayor...it's obvious he is tryin to save himself. My top two stll remain Zsandman and Charlie, if you need me to go into detail go read my previous post, if you need more detail just ask.