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New member with a 10G.
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[FONT="]For a lot of my fish you shouldn't get, it mainly was because either a) they will out grow the tank or b) they are too active for the tank or (few the select few, like otos) c) they are hard to keep alive. But pretty much all the fish, like the catfish, was because pretty much any catfish besides otos and pygmy cories are too big/active for a 10 gallon tank. [/FONT]
That's why for your 10 gallon, I said stay away from pretty much all catfish. Had you have a 20 gallon, then I would of said add some catfish! 
Same with loaches, platies, mollies, most tetras, barbs, etc. That's all I meant there as well 
And as for endlers but not neons, endlers don't have to be kept in large as schools, and aren't as active. Endlers are commonly seen as "nano" fish, but neons usually are in larger tanks because they love to school, but mainly they need a larger tank then a 10 gallon because of how active they are and a school of 10+ neons looks awesome!
Same with loaches, platies, mollies, most tetras, barbs, etc. That's all I meant there as well And as for endlers but not neons, endlers don't have to be kept in large as schools, and aren't as active. Endlers are commonly seen as "nano" fish, but neons usually are in larger tanks because they love to school, but mainly they need a larger tank then a 10 gallon because of how active they are and a school of 10+ neons looks awesome!
And as for only suggesting male guppies, there is a chance of a little fighting, but from my experience, guppies are pretty docile. And even with "nature taking care of itself" if you have places for the fry to hide, then some will probably live and I just figured since you were getting back in the hobby that you wouldn't want to worry about overstocking because of the fry living or something, that's all. Personally, I just thought having to worry about babies when you are just starting the tank isn't the best route to go, but if you want fry, then by all means, have both males and females. But from my past experience, male guppies are a fish species that you can just keep males of, I had 6 males in a 10 gallon with some silk plants and had no problems, I just didn't want to worry about fry because I hate rehoming fish, and couldn't deal with constantly trying to rehome them because I am too picky. But that's just me though, I am too attached to my fish, even fry lol. So I am sorry if you took offense to that.
As for undermining, I really wasn't trying to undermine anything. Just give my opinions and thoughts on certain fish that will/wont work for a 10 gallon, I probably should of stated my reasons why I said those fish didn't work earlier, I am sorry for that. But it's not that I don't have variable proof. I do a lot of reading, spend a lot of time on forums, and a lot of time on my fish, fish make up most my life. I've set up a 10 gallon neon tank for my little sister a few years back, and when the tank started leaking and they got moved to a larger tank and I got a few more fish, they looked better. They really are really active, so I realized that keeping them in a 10 gallon was a bad idea, even though they are so small. And I'm not the only one that shares this opinion, quite a few sites/people I talk with also think that the bare min for neons is around 20 gallons. I really just was trying to help you get out on the right foot, it's very easy to overstock a 10 gallon, and really, few fish are appropriate for a tank less then 2 feet long.
I realize that I should of said WHY the fish I wrote you shouldn't get won't work, next time, I shall write WHY I say no to those fish and yes to others. But really, like I said above, it was for the fact that they are too big/too active for a 10 gallon in my opinion. I wasn't trying to be discouraging in the slightest, just trying to help you from coming home with 6 cherry barbs when Walmart or Petco (given that as you said, they are the only fish stores around you) says they are okay for a 10 gallon, or to get goldfish for a 10 gallon (because most of the time, the staff is clueless), when they are really better off in something larger.
As for my cycling comment, I really didn't feel it wad that off base. Although the matter had already been discussed, it felt that you were all excited about getting the fish and breeding, which is good that you have that excitement, but before you can start any of that, you have to have a good, cycled tank. I just wanted to make sure you didn't fall victim to getting too many fish too early or something similar, which is very easy to do, especially when at a place that has fish!
As for my cycling comment, I really didn't feel it wad that off base. Although the matter had already been discussed, it felt that you were all excited about getting the fish and breeding, which is good that you have that excitement, but before you can start any of that, you have to have a good, cycled tank. I just wanted to make sure you didn't fall victim to getting too many fish too early or something similar, which is very easy to do, especially when at a place that has fish!
And that's good you are doing research, very good. I just thought it seemed you were more focused on breeding/getting the fish, then getting what needs to get done, like the cycling first. I probably should of explained better, but I believe that you mentioned getting fish in a couple weeks or so, and it's just that cycling normally takes about a month it seems, so it just set alarms off for me, that was all.
Welcome to the wonderful fish keeping hobby though!
(Woah sorry about all the separate posts, I'm on a comp at school and it's being really weird)
Welcome to the wonderful fish keeping hobby though!
(Woah sorry about all the separate posts, I'm on a comp at school and it's being really weird)
I understand that every one has a problem about plecos, but personally, i've never seen one over 4 inches. That one was bought at 2" and we kept it for about 8 months..////////
Some plecos do stay small, but some grow very large. 8 months is a short time span because most Plecos live a long time. Most Plecos will live 7-15 years. If you want to see a Pleco over 4 inches do a Google search and it shouldn't be hard to find.
Some plecos do stay small, but some grow very large. 8 months is a short time span because most Plecos live a long time. Most Plecos will live 7-15 years. If you want to see a Pleco over 4 inches do a Google search and it shouldn't be hard to find.
no plecos work in a 10 bc of bioload. they poop TONS!! i said ottos bc they look like plecos but have less bioload and are smaller. they are hard to keep, but not impossible. if you let the tank establish for 2-3 months after your cycled youll have bio film(i think thats what its called) and theyll eat that along with most soft algae and zucchini(usually).
Question: The past couple of nights, my tank has dipped down in temp... when i wake up around 6 or 7 am, its around 76. When i get in from school, its been around 82, 84... Is this a safe change for tropical fish?
i went to walmart last night to pick up a few things i needed to get my cycle started... but they didnt have thhe master kit or ammonia strips... so i put 2 eyedropper fulls of ammonia last night and the same this morning, and should have a kit by the end of the week. I went ahead and started because even if it gets out of wack a bit, it would be just sitting there... 4 additional days before i could get fish.
Question 2: While there last night, i saw some BEAUTIFUL dwarf gourami being very active in the display tanks (nasty btw... ans SMALL!!!). although they may grow to big for my tank, its only 2 inches a fish... plus 6 neons or so. And ive been thinking about getting ghost shrimp to clean up. so really thats 8 fish in a 10g. and i dont see the shrimp having a large bioload since they are cleaning up the mess the other fish make... but sometimes simple math doesnt always work out the problem.
i went to walmart last night to pick up a few things i needed to get my cycle started... but they didnt have thhe master kit or ammonia strips... so i put 2 eyedropper fulls of ammonia last night and the same this morning, and should have a kit by the end of the week. I went ahead and started because even if it gets out of wack a bit, it would be just sitting there... 4 additional days before i could get fish.
Question 2: While there last night, i saw some BEAUTIFUL dwarf gourami being very active in the display tanks (nasty btw... ans SMALL!!!). although they may grow to big for my tank, its only 2 inches a fish... plus 6 neons or so. And ive been thinking about getting ghost shrimp to clean up. so really thats 8 fish in a 10g. and i dont see the shrimp having a large bioload since they are cleaning up the mess the other fish make... but sometimes simple math doesnt always work out the problem.
