I don't know how much more clearly I can possibly explain this. I have never attacked your level of education. I have never referred to you, as a person, as uneducated. Either of those would be personal attacks. I have clarified, several times now, that I do not think you are uneducated. I do not know you. However, your views on vegetarianism are uneducated. My intention was not to pick a fight, my intention was to dispute your opinion on this one, inconsequential subject.
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Well you base your decision on ethical reasons correct???? I base mine on my religion and what it tells me, since you have stated you do not adhear by religion you can not possibly know how my decision was made or how well I educated myself on the matter, correct??? If you do not wish to look at why I made my decision the way I did with the info I have offered then you can in no way judge how well or informed it was made.
It is not un natural.
I don't think we need to get in the whole religious thing jojo, its out of context.
We have not been vegitarians since the beggining of the world, I'll admit that, but since we have became more civilized we have realized we don't need meat to thrive and therefor some of us have decided not to eat a once live creature if we do not have to. Therefor we do not have to kill anything.
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All I'm saying is that it wasn't made empirically, so you're not really in a position to say whether it is a medically healthy choice. It is strictly an opinion, but you are insisting that it is absolute fact. And if you were implying that my decision to stop eating meat wasn't made in a scientific manner either by bringing up my reason for becoming a vegetarian that's true. But I have since childhood consulted with physicians on this choice. I did my own reading when I was a kid, my parents made certain I ate balanced meals. It's not an unhealthy lifestyle. You and I likely have different ideas on how humanity came to be, so I'm not even going to broach the topic from an evolutionary standpoint. But no, I do not believe that humans have since the beginning of time consumed animal protein in the quantities that they do now.
You understand vegans don't eat any animal products (like milk, eggs, yogurt, ect.) and vegitarians just won't eat meat?
CL
ash never made a personal attack, IMO.
I think one of the problems here is you think not eating meat is un healthy and un natural. I'm not trying to say eating meat is bad, I'm just defending not eating meat is good too.
CL
Civility and biology are two different things while whe have civilzed our basic bio has remained the same. And we are designed to eat meat, why else are our teeth designed to rip flesh??? Is this because those leafs are just too dang tough to chew, I think not. yes even if you don't eat meat you are KILLING. The plants you eat are live, they serve a purpose, to clean the air, so you are still killing, just not an animal.
BTW if ethics is a good enough reason to make a decision who are you to say religion is not??? I am not getting into the deep of things, just stateing my thought process and why I made the decision I did.
And of course you don't think he attacked anyone, I haven't seen you disagree with anyone on anything if they share your views on meat.
kjr928
Go fish yourself.
My point had nothing to do with the intelligence of the animal. My point was that people who live with and love ANY animal are probably going to be very upset at the thought of that animal being turned into hamburger. Whether it's a dog or a cat or a horse or whatever. And if that wasn't true then it wouldn't be illegal to process dog and cat meat in this country either.
It's not a matter of the animal's intelligence. It's a matter of how it makes people feel and why it makes them feel that way.
I didn't say religion was not a good enough reason, I said it wasn't an educated reason from a biological perspective. And you are absolutely right, morality isn't either. I never argued that it was. But if for example you had a Jewish friend who asserted that eating pork was unhealthy and unnatural because it is against their religion would you agree with them? And I have different opinions than plenty of other people on this thread. For example, Rosita and I both enjoy horses very much, but I disagree with her position on whether or not horse slaughter should be banned. In fact, I believe some of the younger vegetarians have said that horse slaughter should be banned. So I have disputed points they have made as well. It's not a matter of disrespect, I'm not saying that they are catagorically wrong, it's just a discussion of different viewpoints. I'm not disagreeing with you because our opinions are different, I'm objecting first of all to the broad strokes with which you paint an entire group of people and second to your unsubstantiated opinion of vegetarianism as a whole.
Let me just say that biology supports my view. Herbivores can not digest meat, omnivores digest meat and plant matter, carnivores digest only meat. Herbivores have flat teeth for grinding plant leaves, omnivores have flat and pointed teeth for ripping and chewing meat, and for chewing plants, carnivores have all pointed teeth for ripping and chewing meat. Which of these catagories do we fall in. Biology shows us that we are omnivores. This means it is natural for us to eat meat AND plants. Therefore it would be unnatural (and against our biological design) to do anything other than eat MEAT AND PLANT. If you leave either part of the equasion out it is unnatural.
Biology show that we are to eat meat also in the fact that the enzymes in our stomachs digest meat. Those enzymes in a herbivore digest only plant matter when meat passes thru the stomach of a herbivore it goes undigested and is passed in a bowel movement i.e. a rabbit. The enzymes in an omnivore digest meat and plant so neither pass thru the bowels without being used i.e. humans. The enzymes in a carnivore digest only meat and plant matter is passed thru the bowels without being digested i.e. dogs. Which of these catagories do we fall into???
There you have the basic biological proof that humans are designed to eat meat, if we didn't need it (like the rabbit) we would be designed to not eat or digest it.
Biology show that we are to eat meat also in the fact that the enzymes in our stomachs digest meat. Those enzymes in a herbivore digest only plant matter when meat passes thru the stomach of a herbivore it goes undigested and is passed in a bowel movement i.e. a rabbit. The enzymes in an omnivore digest meat and plant so neither pass thru the bowels without being used i.e. humans. The enzymes in a carnivore digest only meat and plant matter is passed thru the bowels without being digested i.e. dogs. Which of these catagories do we fall into???
There you have the basic biological proof that humans are designed to eat meat, if we didn't need it (like the rabbit) we would be designed to not eat or digest it.
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