Pit Bull bans...WTF?

One of my friends owned to Pit Bulls. They were very friendly and even cuddly. I had no problem with my kids being around them.

I believe it all has to do with training. But dogs do have their own natural tempermant. That is well known. Even Dobbies will turn on their owners.

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Joe you are right they have extremely powerful jaws but do you know what the average weight of a pit bull is? about 60-75lbs. Yes they bite hard but what do you think is gonna be more dangerous if it got on top of you? a 70lb pitty or a 130lb Mastiff. The pitty bites harder but it isnt as heavy. you can roll it off of you ar if your a bigger guy you could throw it off you, the mastiff on the other hand, you better just hold on for the ride.

Well puma I agree with most of that post BUT as a long-time breeder of Pits I can tell you from experience that they suffer from lock jaw. It is not caused by a Mechanism which that quote was proving. It is simply caused by the amount of strain and explosive force put on the muscles.

Humans suffer similar problems when trying to lift wieghts etc. Me for example because of how my thigh muscles developed if I squat and try to jump up really fast my right thigh especially will lock in place and not let my leg straighten. It is quite painful but it is basically just an extreme cramp and knot in the muscle. The only way I can unlock it is by bending my knee as much as I can and then very very slowly straighten it back out.
This is similar to what happen in the dogs Jaws. there has been a few time when one of my dogs has lock jawed on one of its toys and it will literaly atsrt to squeal and yelp, and I can actually see the bulge in the jaw muscle of where it has knotted up.
So I gently prie its mouth open enough to get the toy out and let it close its mouth completely and the knot will relax and release. I do have to admit that it happens more often in the dogs with extremely developed jaw muscles, as opposed to the more proportioned dogs. But it does happen.

I honestly dont have any concern about what a scientist says by lookijng at the anatomy of the dogs. Because I have seen it with my own eyes. And I would assume its probably more common in poorer quality dogs than mine.
But they are right in the way that Pit Bulls dont have a locking mechanism. Which means any dog could get lock jaw. I am just saying that Pit Bulls are prone to it due to the developement of their jaw muscles.
Its like how Pit Bulls are more prone to getting Parvo than any other species of dog yet there are other species that are very similar to Pits in their genetice makeup that arent as prone or succeptable to Parvo.
 
The bottom line I am trying to get across is. If you dont like a dog or its breed, dont like them, thats fine. Dont let your kids near them thats fine too. Whatever floats your boat. BUT do not try to force it on everybody. Nobody has any right to tell me I cant own my Pit Bulls just cause some douchebag owner didnt train his properly and it bit somebody. My dogs are great and very well behaved and I deserve and have earned the right to own them. And Nobody has any right to take them away from me.
If one of them bites somebody wrongfully I will gladly kill that dog myself. But until that happens Leave me and my dogs alone.

However if they want to say I have to go through a course and have to be licensed to own them, thats fine with me too. I will go and take the course and get the license. I can agree to that. At least that way it will weed out any un-suitable owners. If I have to get my Kennel licensed(which it is) That is fine with me too.
But nobody has any right to say to me I cant have my Pits because other pits aree bad. If that is the case All dogs should be banned as there is not a single breed of dog that has never bitten or attacked a person. Ability should be of no consequence, it should purely be based on wether that particular dog is vicious or not.
 
Sorry one more hting to add:

I personally from my martial arts training have the ability to kill somebody with my hands. But does that mean I should be locked up or be banned from going to certain places simply cause somebody might be concerned/afraid of my ability?

Here is another thing:
My friend owned a pit. He had it on a leash, and another dog a border collie that was off its leash came running up and attacked the Pit. The Pit then fought back and ended up grabbing the other dog by the head and shaking it, breaking its neck and killing it. Now who or what animal was at fault here?

obviously the border collie and its owner were. BUT what ended up happening. My friend had to put his pit to sleep and was fined nearly 10 000$ for it. The man with the border collie didnt even get a fine for having his dog off its leash in the park.
I wonder why this happened.... It is pure discrimination.
Self-defence is a right of any living thing, it is not just reserved for humans.
 
I'm not trying to say what happened to your friend was totally right but there is a big, BIG difference between self defence and applying lethal force. That dog should not have been in public.
 
**** Right!!

And any dog breed does not just 'turn' on its owner. There is usually a reason when an animal attacks someone. I own a six month old black lab, and she's a real biter so far, I'm just hoping I can get control of her, because I have a parrot that I love like a child, and I will never trust her around him.

I love dobermans and want to adopt one from a rescue soon. I met dobes several times now, and not one of them has displayed aggression toward me, they were very sweet. I'm sure there are those that are out there. But over the years as the dobe has lost popularity, decent breeders have had a chance to improve things alot. My vet told me, "Whenever man becomes involved in something, he usually destroys it over time. Since they haven't been as popular, man has not had the ability to further damage the breed."

Breed bans don't work, but I think banning irresponsible owners would. Why not require special testing or licensing for the people who want to own these breeds instead of killing the truly innocent ones? I think that, if done correctly, would work quite well if you ask me.
 
Of course all dogs have the potential to be dangerous. But if you cannot control your pet well enough to prevent it from killing another animal in public then I'd say it needs to stay on your property. I mean, I don't take my dog in to petsmart with me because I know I would not be able to control his barking. To me that's just common sense. I also don't know how he is around kids so I put him away when the neice and nephew visit. I can't imagine doing otherwise.
 
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I'm not trying to say what happened to your friend was totally right but there is a big, BIG difference between self defence and applying lethal force. That dog should not have been in public.
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You are very wrong my friend. The pit only bit once and only shook once. and it just happend to get the other dog by the head and broke its neck.
It has nothin to do with the pit being vicious.

A man in a town near here got in a fight at a bar with another man who had been fighting people all night. The first guy ended up hitting him once and the guy died. Does this mean he should go to jail? He just happen to hit a guy in the right spot in his temple and he died of brain trauma. But he only hit the guy in self defence ans tha other guy came at him with a beer bottle.

Same situation. A dog attacked the pit and the pit reacted by biting and shaking one time and it just happened to break the other dogs kneck. That isnt the pits fault it was just a fluke incident where it happened.
 
I don't know how to comment on the whole bar thing. If they guy had been fighting all night why weren't the police called? Not the point I guess. Anyway- again- I think it was wrong that your friend was fined, and wrong that his dog was euthanized. But I wasn't there- how am I to know if he bit once shook once? I believe you that it probably was a fluke. But you have to admit- 99% of interdog scuffles in a park do not result in death. I really don't think that a dog that reacts that quickly and forcefully to an unexpected stimulus had any business in a park. Of course again- I don't mean that this applies to all pits.
 
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