Pit Bull bans...WTF?

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After reading the entire thread, I think I have something to add. Purebred working and sporting dogs were developed with a purpose in mind. Collies were bred to work as herding dogs, Shar Peis were bred as guard dogs, Labradors were bred as retrievers, greyhounds were developed for tracking and chasing, etc. etc. etc. It is understood that Pit Bulls were bred originally as working dogs in the cattle industry. However, this breed developed over time as a dog for bearbaiting, bullbaiting, and fighting. These traits include an inclination to operating as a pack, extremely strong shoulders, chest, and jaws, unbelievable drive and an incredible tolerance for pain. These traits were enhanced through selective breeding over the course of many generations. The same goes for Labrador Retrievers. This dog is a descendant of the Newfoundland. Certain traits and characteristics were enhanced through selective breeding to encourage this dog to bring back game birds including a strong inclination to swim, a "soft" mouth, tremendous drive, and the ability to take a number of commands from multiple hunters. Fast-forward to present day. The overwhelming majority of Lab owners do not use their dogs in hunting scenarios. Most Labs haven't been bred for their retrieving ability for dozens, if not hundreds of generations. If this is the case, then why does Sport the yellow lab go nuts over a frisbee or tennis ball, or anything he can bring back for you? The answer is simple: these dogs have an ingrained genetic makeup that drives them to fetch items for their owner. I feel like the same premise goes towards many of the terrier breeds that ended up in the fighting arena. Even though the intended purpose of the dog is hundreds of generations removed, the instinct still remains. That being said, I do not feel comfortable being around an animal that is 1- of a pack nature and 2- genetically predisposed to bring down animals of any type that pose a threat.

Finally, while other dogs may bite more, how many breed types are responsible for killing people? How many human deaths are caused by Labradors, or Poodles, or Goldens or Cockers per year? How many deaths are caused by large terrier breeds?

Part of responsible dog ownership is recognizing that there is no such thing as a "safe" breed. This fact has been illustrated repeatedly in this thread. I will go past that premise and say that the other part of responsible dog ownership is recognizing an animals potential to inflict injury or death. That being said, I think that the overall number of dogs that have the inclination to hurt people and animals outside of their pack needs to be seriously examined.
 
while i was away when this thread was started i will only say once that labont865 has takin a very good stance and i agree with him almost a 100% ...while bsl is a heated topic ,there are things people can do about it but unfortunatly ..most never do ..you see inorder to stop things like these from happening ..we need voters ..not just people who say oh yeah ..i dont like that...it needs to be done before the laws are past..people need to pay attention before hand and not just when a law affects them...
on the subject of leaving a pit alone with children ..my dogs are left in the same general area as my children but..not anyone else...my children have been taught to respect the dogs and vise versa ..dogs give warnings when they are uncomfortable...and any reponsible owner can realize these warnings ..which are generally accused of being agressive warnings ..but lets face it ..dogs have very little language skills..my dog will growl..but never move a mucle ..the kids know thats a sighn that the og no longer wants to play...the kids will leave him alone nd he goes to another room. however ..i do not allow other peoples children to play around my dogs without me present because some people just dont letup on the dogs ...
If anyone should ever enter my house without my knowledge they deserve to be scared by my dogs..after all wouldnt you protect yourself and house if you were there alone?
and as for the owners whose dogs where actually taken from there homes ..it may sound drastic but i can in asume that these dog owners knew about the new law and probably did nothingto try and rehome their animals which in anycase is illegal ..they probably tried to hide them ..and hope that nothing came of it ...if they really cared about there animals they would have moved made plans to move or tried to relocate their animal.my husband is a truck driver and our dogs have rode with him through all of the states when questoned on his breed he did not lie..he was also registered and kept on his leash and with the knowledge that this dog was leaving state was left alone..it is illegal to actually enter a persons home and forcably remove their property and yes a dog is owned property without giving them prior notice so these owners made their ituation theirs ..
and as far as euthinizing them immediatly ..michegan does that as well..and because no one cared as long as it wasnt their state most states took that as a go ahead ..so when they say you need to vote they mean it every vote counts dont just sit on your couch and complain.
 
FishSeller said:
Finally, while other dogs may bite more, how many breed types are responsible for killing people? How many human deaths are caused by Labradors, or Poodles, or Goldens or Cockers per year? How many deaths are caused by large terrier breeds?
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the problem is that dogs are being mis-identified as pits when they arent. on the news recently was a report of a dog attacking a child, the media immediately labels the dog as a pit. when in fact, it's not. it was a boxer. and they call just about any mutt dog of unknown origin a pit. walk into any pound and almost every dog with short hair and a short snout is labeled "Pit Bull". did you see the test on id'ing a pit that was in the thread? this one here http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html it even took me 3 tries to find the true pit. and i own one! there are a few breeds that resemble pits.
pits have a bad rap....
my dad owns a black lab and she's the meanest dang dog i've ever met. she's bit me a couple times, one time i needed stitches. i've been around lots of larger dogs and never been bitten. my rhodesian ridgeback's breed was used to hunt lions in africa...a dog that can take down a lion should be more frightening than a pit.

and oh yes, if my city/county/state EVER proposed a law like denver's i will be protesting it! and if it still passed, i'd take my dogs and move elsewhere before they'd be euthanized. and yes, i did lie to my old landlord, but i really needed a place to live and i thought at the time that it was pretty stupid to ban a dog just because of its breed. she didnt allow great danes, dobes, or rotty's either. but my pit isnt purebred. i wasnt fully lying when i said she's a mutt. because she is.
i mean lookit these ears i dont know where they came from:
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i do have to say it only took me one try but i have done a lot of research and yes i agree that there are alot of dogs labled as pits and truley there are only three that are actually pitbulls. but if we really wanted to get technical, they are not actually pit bulls either ..they all have specific breed names none of wich origannly carried pitbull in them ...example american staffordshire bull terrier....now is actually the american staffordshire pit bull terrier by most people.
 
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i do have to say it only took me one try but i have done a lot of research and yes i agree that there are alot of dogs labled as pits and truley there are only three that are actually pitbulls. but if we really wanted to get technical, they are not actually pit bulls either ..they all have specific breed names none of wich origannly carried pitbull in them ...example american staffordshire bull terrier....now is actually the american staffordshire pit bull terrier by most people.
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Yes. in truth the Pit Bull is technically just an off shoot of a certain breed mix. But have now pretty much become different enough from their parent breeds to officially be recognized as a breed by kennel clubs(CKC, AKC).
 
yes but this was just recently that they acknowledged them as another breed and seperated them in their class for quite a while you were only able to register dogs that came out of autralia and such. quite a bit of smeal has come from and gone into allowing these dogs to be registered and they are still pretty strict on this breed,
 
ramirezi, your dog almost looks like part besenji.... I could be way off, its been a while since I watched a dog show :laugh:
 
yeah the vet tried to guess where the ears came from...she wasnt even sure...her best educated guess was perhaps she is a pit/amstaff/lab mix. usually on a pit the ears fall down if left long. the pits you see with the ears up have had their ears clipped. i have seen a few pits with ears that stand up, but they're not as big.
we joke that her real dad was the taco bell chihuahua.
 
I was around a Rhodesian Ridgeback once. A buddy brought his girlfriend's over to the house. It was kind of a freaky dog! Don't get me wrong, I'm not one who's scared of bigger dogs or whatnot. This one was just a little wired.
 
weird? like in psycho bite your hand off weird or just hyper-active?
mine is laid back. he's the type of dog that would lay on the front porch all day. he's 6 yrs old though and has gotten lazy. i compare him to a hound dog. when he was a puppy, he was hyper. he was always getting into things and he tore up an entire full size mattress in one afternoon while i was at work. imagine coming home from work one day and your mattress is torn to shreds....my fault though. i left the bedroom door open. and the vet warned us that they're destructive. her RR ate her couch. and they're really smart. and thats what gets him in trouble...he turns on faucets, opens doors...
and yes they're big dogs. my RR is only 65 lbs. he's smaller than most RR's i've seen. many RR's get to be around 75-85lbs.
 
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