steelerfan's 30 Gallon Breeder Journal/Build

Hmm, I always vac my sand and maintain a bed about the same depth. It no doubt gets some particulate in the water but it clears up very well in an hour or 2. I have done this with both my sumpless and sumped/skimmered tank.

The thought behind vacuuming or not does have to do with depth as you run the risk of exposing anerobic bacteria in the bottom but even some that run shallow beds never touch them with the thought being they will remove good things as well as the nasties.

The reason I always vac my bed is because I started that way with my sumpless/skimmerless tank. I felt that by not running a skimmer I needed to do all I could to keep the tank clean and I just have never stopped this process. I have never had an issue like yours so based on my experience I would say vacuuming is not your issue.

I do think there is a right and wrong way to vac though. Stirring it up and just siphoning what you can from the water doesn't work nearly as well as a more controlled siphon. I find it best to work a particular area by crimping the hose to reduce the amount of sand removed and just removing the lighter detritus. I basically siphon a small area full blast and then crimp the hose to let the sand fall back down and then go full blast again just above the sand that falls out. I also find that have a larger siphon works better than the narrow ones. Not trying to tell you how to do things and maybe none of taht made sense but this is what I find works best after 2 years of weekly water changes :thud: :).
 
yeah greech,

i am at a loss with this dang haze thing.

last night i thought the tank looked the cleanest it has ever been. wife even said it looked great.

this morning it was cloudy again.

i will tone down the siphon a tad if that is in the slim chance my issue.

i know, add liverock :-)


Hmm, I always vac my sand and maintain a bed about the same depth. It no doubt gets some particulate in the water but it clears up very well in an hour or 2. I have done this with both my sumpless and sumped/skimmered tank.

The thought behind vacuuming or not does have to do with depth as you run the risk of exposing anerobic bacteria in the bottom but even some that run shallow beds never touch them with the thought being they will remove good things as well as the nasties.

The reason I always vac my bed is because I started that way with my sumpless/skimmerless tank. I felt that by not running a skimmer I needed to do all I could to keep the tank clean and I just have never stopped this process. I have never had an issue like yours so based on my experience I would say vacuuming is not your issue.

I do think there is a right and wrong way to vac though. Stirring it up and just siphoning what you can from the water doesn't work nearly as well as a more controlled siphon. I find it best to work a particular area by crimping the hose to reduce the amount of sand removed and just removing the lighter detritus. I basically siphon a small area full blast and then crimp the hose to let the sand fall back down and then go full blast again just above the sand that falls out. I also find that have a larger siphon works better than the narrow ones. Not trying to tell you how to do things and maybe none of taht made sense but this is what I find works best after 2 years of weekly water changes :thud: :).
 
You notice I didn't say it but since you mentioned it :).
 
you know divers den had 25 lbs of supposed "pest" free rock that i almost said the heck with and bought, but didn't want to spend 200 bucks when chances are there were some pests anyway :-)

7-7-11 will make 6 months and if tank i still going through this i will no doubt get the next "pest" free rock i see posted.

i really hope it doesn't come to this though and i just nned to give it more time....
 
That's a lot of money and all you really need to a few pounds or a bag full of rubble.

I have seen that rock and know what you mean but if there were anyone online sellers you can trust LA would be it.
 
my other game plan was to place a order with 1 of the better trusted places, enough to get the free shipping and get a few pounds of it there and hope for the best but that still means letting tank sit even longer which i am getting tired of to be honest, so i am hoping it will work itself out.
 
So, Steelerfan and Greech... since there are no fish or corals in the tank why not just do a 100% water change??? What would it hurt to do that? Also, if there isn't a big establishment of bacteria why not try Dr. Tims stuff??? Just wondering...
 
not sure it would hurt benson, but not sure it would help either.

like i said, lastnight was the best and clearest tank has looked only to be smoggy again in the morning, so i really don't think my water is dirty.

i just can't figure out if the problem is that the good bacteria are taking a while to form or not. if that is the case then all i should need to do is wait, but again i am not sure this is the problem which is the part that is frustrating me.

if i knew 100% it was a time thing i can wait but if there is something i should be doing waiting isn't gonna help.

i am giving to 7-7-11 for 6 months. if still screwy i will reevaluate my plan.

haven't heard of dr tim but i will google now.
 
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