After reading the post I noticed that she said her daughter posted it, so perhaps there was a typo and she actually meant to say "swordtails". Who knows, it could have been a swordfish. 
Swordfish?
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it is obvious from the posts i read lately that alot of the people responding to threads are narcasistic. Who here has a diploma in fish keeping. this is a public forum for people to learn from their peers. If you wankers think that new people, uninformed they may be, are not your peers and you think somewhat below you then you should stick your head in a gas oven.
You have taken an innocent and well intentioned question from a minor and made her feel like an idiot. The sad thing is, like you said, she probably wont be back. She wont ask more questions. She wont learn anything important. All her fish will most likely die. She will feel a failure and turn away from a hobby she could have had years of joy from.
All because you dickheads felt the need to belittle people and inflate your own importance. How old are you because you sound like 12y olds? There are polite ways of telling someone they have made a mistake. As they said the took the idvice of others. Nice one. Well i may get banned for telling you all this in this manner but what can people like you teach me anyway. How to be an ********?
You have taken an innocent and well intentioned question from a minor and made her feel like an idiot. The sad thing is, like you said, she probably wont be back. She wont ask more questions. She wont learn anything important. All her fish will most likely die. She will feel a failure and turn away from a hobby she could have had years of joy from.
All because you dickheads felt the need to belittle people and inflate your own importance. How old are you because you sound like 12y olds? There are polite ways of telling someone they have made a mistake. As they said the took the idvice of others. Nice one. Well i may get banned for telling you all this in this manner but what can people like you teach me anyway. How to be an ********?
Actually just reread the post and haven't found anything to lead me to believe that anyone did anything other then make suggestions on where they could get help...Aside from the amazement that someone would want to keep a swordfish, they did not get aggressive responses, just advisory of the current situation....We all have been "talked to" about choices we've made in fishkeeping but you have to be willing to understand mistakes aren't the end of the world...No one told them that their questions weren't good, they just questioned the seriousness of the nature of it...
DeputyChiefJR said:
Well there you see it. i too reread the posts and there were only two serious and acceptable respondant posts. the rest were belittling.
You dont think putting " YOU WANNA GET A SWORDFISH " in capitals and sarcasm like 2000g tanks and " is this an honest question ? " when anyone with any nouse would realise that they meant a swordtail. Has anyone, Zoo's included ever KEPT a swordfish.
See thats the thing with the American culture. You all just dont realise when your taking a stab at someone. You dont push someone down and make them feel stupid and beneath you. It breeds animosity.
This isnt your own personel little world in this forum. the only reason it exists is because people log on and visit it. They do this because most often they enjoy it. If you turn people away with childish behaviour your going to have an empty forum and preach to no-one. Think about it. Sorry if I'm a little over the top but it makes me irate to see people downtrodden and a potential hobbyist lost. There is no such thing as a stupid question. And i dont think anyone would bother posting a thread that wasnt serious to them.
Not sure if a disagreement gives reason to make broad, derogatory remarks about someone's general culture but if that's the way you do things, what am I gonna say about it? Before you go flaming people about narcisisstic responses I'd take a long look at your own language....
I would seriously hope I had not been offensive. I was a beginner once; I know how all the new info can be overwhelming. But I am also familiar with those who troll post. I was merely deducting the seriousness of the poster, I don’t believe I insulted…
No question is a poor question when asked with the honest of intentions. A simple typo and general misunderstanding has been taken to a place it shouldn't have gone. I appolozie.
Sharks can grow to very large sizes, they also are a schooling fish meaning they require at least 6 to feel safe and act normal. This means you need a HUGE tank to sustain sharks. This goes for the Pleco and catfish, they can get huge too and will eventually need a MUCH bigger tank.
Your tetras are another schooling fish, meaning you should have a minimum of 6 to make them happy. Size-wise they are fine though.
Depending on your puffer, you may actually have a brackish water puffer that requires Marine salt added to your tank. A conflict of water needs. Even if it is a fresh water puffer (I’m assuming it probably is) they can be extremely aggressive fin nippers that can stress to other fish, eventually causing death. They really require a species only tank.
The beta is also an aggressive fish. Some betas do fine in community tanks while other need a tank to themselves. How it works with the Gourami I’m not sure. Gourami can be another aggressive fish.
Your angelfish will also get rather large, but your tank size is fine.
I am not personally familiar with japanese blue crawfish, but I do know they will eat ANYTHING they can catch, which will be everything in the tank once it hits a certain size. Maybe someone with more experience can speak up here…
I would say Keep the Tetras, Gourami, and Angel fish and return everything else. I have a similar size tank and have all three of those plus some Rasbora and Butterfly rams. I am quite satisfied with my tank and have had no issues with compatibility among the fish.
Karla83401 said:
No question is a poor question when asked with the honest of intentions. A simple typo and general misunderstanding has been taken to a place it shouldn't have gone. I appolozie.
It has been my experience that there are very few 'experts' to be found at a pet store. While they may appear to be helpful, most workers are trying to make a sale and are hardly informed on proper fish care. In this case, intentional or not, it would seem you have been misguided by these 'experts.'Karla83401 said:
Sharks can grow to very large sizes, they also are a schooling fish meaning they require at least 6 to feel safe and act normal. This means you need a HUGE tank to sustain sharks. This goes for the Pleco and catfish, they can get huge too and will eventually need a MUCH bigger tank.
Your tetras are another schooling fish, meaning you should have a minimum of 6 to make them happy. Size-wise they are fine though.
Depending on your puffer, you may actually have a brackish water puffer that requires Marine salt added to your tank. A conflict of water needs. Even if it is a fresh water puffer (I’m assuming it probably is) they can be extremely aggressive fin nippers that can stress to other fish, eventually causing death. They really require a species only tank.
The beta is also an aggressive fish. Some betas do fine in community tanks while other need a tank to themselves. How it works with the Gourami I’m not sure. Gourami can be another aggressive fish.
Your angelfish will also get rather large, but your tank size is fine.
I am not personally familiar with japanese blue crawfish, but I do know they will eat ANYTHING they can catch, which will be everything in the tank once it hits a certain size. Maybe someone with more experience can speak up here…
I would say Keep the Tetras, Gourami, and Angel fish and return everything else. I have a similar size tank and have all three of those plus some Rasbora and Butterfly rams. I am quite satisfied with my tank and have had no issues with compatibility among the fish.
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Dangerdoll
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Evidently, past issues have not been seen by all, especially new comers as far as past fake posts to get people's feather's ruffled and your typical every day troll. While I agree that sometimes, a post looks so obviously fake that sometimes you have no response but to enter a sarcastic post in response without the bit of help needed, sometimes even belittling the poster or so it would seem to a newbie who wasn't used to the people here, perhaps sometimes we need to be a little more gentle and realize maybe some people aren't so aware of simple sarcasm becuase of the seriousness of what they think their problem is. It's hard to decipher who is just posting to be a xxxx-buster and who is posting with an honest post... perhaps a little more inquiring needs to be set forth before the sarcasm is set out instead of playing post cop and aiming your guns before even having relevant evidence of it. Reading through this thread, I can see the harmless sarcasm but mind you, I've also been here a while and am used to the forum and the dynamics of a tank with overstocking issues but I can also see where this poster may have gotten upset and felt attacked... albeit, she may have been a little more sensitive that some but still, her feelings were hurt. Would mine had, probably not but we should still take a step back and realize some people are just that, more sensitive than we are.... especially when being told that we have been doing something wrong when we have been thinking we have been doing ok all along. No one likes to be told they are doing the wrong thing if they feel it is working for them, so that is where the first flag of defensiveness comes from. Go easy on the newbies and give them a chance to flub up before throwing out harmless (or what would seem so) responses in te name of having fun. Not everyone may think so. Remember, sarcasm is hard to decipher from typed text for some folks who are on a different page... in other words, they are serious, possiby fretting where we are sitting in lighthearted fun, poking posts thinking we are giving some folks something to giggle about.... sometimes we are not...
I will agree with you Chief.... even though maybe things were misconceived, this is still no reason to make such broad derogatory remarks of someone's general culture and throw around names and cast judgements as such. That was the absolute worst I've seen in this thread overall. And to throw in that "All because you dickheads felt the need to belittle people and inflate your own importance. How old are you because you sound like 12y olds? There are polite ways of telling someone they have made a mistake. As they said the took the idvice of others. Nice one. Well i may get banned for telling you all this in this manner but what can people like you teach me anyway. How to be an ********?" is way over the top. This thread could have been cleaned up with a simple response to the original poster but IMO, this poster adds the color of the thread to bring it beyond repair.
I will agree with you Chief.... even though maybe things were misconceived, this is still no reason to make such broad derogatory remarks of someone's general culture and throw around names and cast judgements as such. That was the absolute worst I've seen in this thread overall. And to throw in that "All because you dickheads felt the need to belittle people and inflate your own importance. How old are you because you sound like 12y olds? There are polite ways of telling someone they have made a mistake. As they said the took the idvice of others. Nice one. Well i may get banned for telling you all this in this manner but what can people like you teach me anyway. How to be an ********?" is way over the top. This thread could have been cleaned up with a simple response to the original poster but IMO, this poster adds the color of the thread to bring it beyond repair.
Again, just to be clear, if you read my post I in no way insulted the intelligence of the original poster, merely inquired into the seriousness of the post because of its questionable nature. I was not rude.
I did not mean to cause there to be such conflict at this website, I simply felt that unless someone pointed out how abrasive some of the responses were it would not change. Not all of the responses were unkind and I did glean some useful information for future care of my fish from them, such as I am not looking at purchasing a larger tank in the future as well as perhaps dividing my community of fish up although they seem to be quite happy together.
The tone of the responses to our original question was actually set by the following replies that we recieved and perhaps those who posted these replies will stop and think about the impact their words can have on others.
"Why start asking questions now that you already have a completely inappropriate stocking list?" By graphicdesign
This response clearly indicates that our question should have never been asked according to "graphicdesign".
YOU WANT TO GET A SWORDFISH!?!? baaaad idea. even if you get a 2,000g tank, it still won't be big enough! swordfish are some of the most active swimmers in the world, and travel hundreds of miles in a day. (P.S. you're tank is overstocked!!) by fishcatch22
This response made both my daughter and I feel like absolute fools for even asking. We had read on several sites and had not been able to determine if even such a fish existed so we felt that we might be able find out from others who loved fish.
To me the most important thing in this whole issue is making sure that my fish have a safe, fulfilling life while in my care as this is my ultimate goal with all of my pets.
Thank you for all of your time and efforts on my behalf,
Karla
The tone of the responses to our original question was actually set by the following replies that we recieved and perhaps those who posted these replies will stop and think about the impact their words can have on others.
"Why start asking questions now that you already have a completely inappropriate stocking list?" By graphicdesign
This response clearly indicates that our question should have never been asked according to "graphicdesign".
YOU WANT TO GET A SWORDFISH!?!? baaaad idea. even if you get a 2,000g tank, it still won't be big enough! swordfish are some of the most active swimmers in the world, and travel hundreds of miles in a day. (P.S. you're tank is overstocked!!) by fishcatch22
This response made both my daughter and I feel like absolute fools for even asking. We had read on several sites and had not been able to determine if even such a fish existed so we felt that we might be able find out from others who loved fish.
To me the most important thing in this whole issue is making sure that my fish have a safe, fulfilling life while in my care as this is my ultimate goal with all of my pets.
Thank you for all of your time and efforts on my behalf,
Karla
I am sorry to post once again but as I reviewed my last post I noticed a typo. I am now looking at a larger tank in the future.
Thanks again,
Karla
Thanks again,
Karla
